Hypocrite: Tubby’s not as tough as touted

Editor’s note: Shane from Centerpoint first wrote this column for the Finebaum website. It was written in response to Tuberville’s assertion that the Tigers do things the right way. Shane’s research exposed Tuberville’s hypocrisy. We’ve included links to verify each of the crucial points; the most damning point was Tuberville allowing the misogynistic Clifton Robinson on the team after being arrested for rape. Later Robinson was arrested on an assault charge while serving probation for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. That’s AU Family Values on display.

Tubby’s discipline not as tough as touted
By Shane from Centerpoint

In light of the recent arrests of several University of Alabama football players and the media generated perception that Nick Saban’s disciplinary system might not be effective, coupled with cross-state rival Auburn’s claim that head coach Tommy Tuberville is a zero tolerance guy, it is only fair to clarify that nothing could be further from the truth.

While the initial problems for Saban have been difficult to overcome, the process of changing the mentality of a football program from loser to winner is never a quick fix.

That said the Auburn fan base is currently using the situation at the Capstone to claim that Tuberville is the man to play for because he is in total control of his players. Considering that he has had his system in place for many years, I think Tommy fully understands that zero tolerance is impossible to enforce.

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In fact coach Tuberville’s first few years were as rough and bumpy as any I’ve seen. The only difference is that his trials and tribulations were not as well publicized.

In order to back my claims about Tubby’s difficult beginning, and to illustrate that his problems are ongoing to this day, I’ll list a few examples in the following paragraphs.

Way back in 2000 the first player to give Tommy fits was Clifton Robinson. According to wire reports, he was initially charged with second-degree rape. He eventually settled with the D.A. for a lesser charge and was sentenced to one year in jail. The sentence was suspended and he was placed on probation. Tubs allowed him to remain with the team.

That wasn’t the last of Clifton’s troubles. His second arrest came in the same year. This time he was charged with assault. Apparently, Clifton was given more than one chance by Tuberville because he was a key player.

Immediately following Robinson’s illegal actions came the gun incident involving Deandre Green and Brandon Reed. The reports stated that they illegally discharged a firearm during a concert on campus. Not only were they shooting a gun but also the weapon was found to be illegal. Later after remaining with the team, Reed was charged with illegal possession and use of a teammate’s debit card. Green and Reed were later dismissed from the team, but only after second chances.

Additionally, although no charges were filed, starter, Lorenzo Diamond was shot in the stomach by his wife while riding down the road in a car. The entire episode was effectively whitewashed and Diamond recovered. However, the shooting showed that Tuberville had a gun problem on his team.

Around the same time Derek Magwood was arrested for stealing from former player Quinton Reese. He was eventually dismissed from the team. By the way, according to Rob Pate in his book, “A Tiger’s Walk”, all these incidents happened in one week.

Don’t forget that immediately after his arrival, Tubby had to deal with Demontray Carter and Reggie Worthy being arrested for harassment. In this case they allegedly slapped and poured beer on a female during a party on campus.

As evidenced by the previous list of crimes that are far more egregious than a series of disorderly conduct arrest, Tuberville had a tough time trying to gain control of the players that former coach Terry Bowden recruited.

Not only did Tommy have severe discipline issues to solve when he came to Auburn, but they’ve continued to haunt him every year and some are still occurring to this day.

Names like Lemarcus Rowell and Montae Pitts are familiar to Auburn fans, wo know how may chances Tuberville gave these two clowns before he sent them packing.

Just last year Kevin Sears, King Dunlap, and Tray Blackmon were all allowed to break the law and remain with the team. Blackmon is perhaps the most flagrant example of Tommy allowing one player multiple transgressions, while claiming the he is tough on rule breakers.

Don’t forget the wholesale effort to gain eligibility for Brad Lester, the Tigers top running back even though the school had denied him that right many times.

So, in essence, it is hypocritical for the Auburn Family, as well the media, to claim that Auburn is totally free of the criminal element. If we look at the types of crimes that coach Saban is currently dealing with and compare them to the ordeal Tommy Tuberville faced during is first few years with the Tigers, Nick has a better class of player than Tommy encountered initially.

I’ll summarize this column by saying that Saban will gain control of his team and future athletes who are considering the Tide can feel secure that Nick will discipline each player appropriately. Admittedly, Tuberville has put an end to the major incidents that in modern day terms would’ve played like a soap opera.

However, the Auburn family and the media need to look to the past to gain the proper perspective on the job coach Saban faces. Is it tough? Just ask Tommy Tuberville!

You can reach Shane via email at shanesez@gmail.com

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  1. 1
    sixdownnow7

    AUBCESSION and FEAR. TOTAL DENIAL and HALF TRUTHS. ITS OK…THEY DID TOO!
    SAY IT ENOUGH and I MUST BE RIGHT…RIGHT?

    Shane, I liked you better when you had pride in that pathetic, NCAA violating, over-rated and desparate football team that is rightfully now known as the CRAPStone!

    Three weeks now you have nothing to write regarding the future of the University of CrimsonNeck. It is settled. Bama has no future! They are done! Shane has proved it three weeks in a row. Kind of like SIX in a row.

    I am sure next week will be much of the same. Just like next November. Seven! You sorry piece of stinking puss.

  2. 2
    AubSux

    Shane your a Fag, but not as big a FAG as all the Auburn losers that will scurry to this lame ass website to check and see what their favorite “Bammer” is saying. If you Auburn **** Biters would just realize the more you talk about Shane the more he thinks he matters. GET A ****** CLUE you stupid cow tipping **** tards. Go polish your 2004 Peoples National Championship Trophy or think of cool ways to say #7 is on the way because that is pretty much all you have to concern yourselves with. It sure isn’t that stellar recruiting class ears pulled in. HAHAHAHA….so sad.

    Shane , you are one lame ass goofy *****. YOU REALLY WONDER WHY YOU SHOULD BE JEALOUS OF JAY BARKER? Holy ******* ****. You are Garbage, plain and simple. I love the little bitch fit you pitched when Finebaum yanked your “Article” from the website. I am sure Paul real cared you didn’t call in for 3 days….you showed him. I know the reason you got pulled…its because your lame ass called the Alabama athletic department for interview with Saban…claiming you are part of the Finebaum Show…how truly sad you are. God how can somebody be so ***** stupid. Since you love doing research, go find out what days Iman trims that Prison ****** on his face.

  3. 4
    Tom

    Those with lower levels of intelligence can only stoop to ignorant cursing and childlike personal attacks in order to vent the frustrations of their little lives. Some of you children should stick to MySpace.

    This article includes undeniable, documented facts, and the opinions expressed are dutifully tied to these supporting facts. I appreciate the time invested in pulling this information together.

    Roll Tide

  4. 7
    Christopherson

    It appears you backwoods Barnies can’t handle one mild dose of your own medicine.

    I wonder what Jason Campbell has to say about this article?

    The term “hypocrite” really sums up the overall point well.

    Oh well, Alabama fans should accustom themselves to this nonsense because just as soon as Alabama reclaims the state away from Alabama Polytechnic Institute, they’ll stoop to another level of low by pointing out any and every minor flaw in our program they can possibly scout.

    “MOMMY, DADDY, LOOK!! NICK SABAN SAID A WORDY DIRTY ON THE SIDELINE!”

    “MOMMY, DADDY, ALABAMMER BEAT OUR ASS, BUT IN THE SEC TITLE GAME, THE REFS SCREWED FLORIDA BECAUSE THE ALABAMMER DEFENSIVE LINEMAN WAS LINED UP OFFSIDES!!”

    “MOMMY, DADDY, EVEN THOUGH AP/UPI AND PRE UPI/AP ROSE BOWL TITLES ARE AS LEGITIMATE AS BCS TITLES, ALL 12 OF ALABAMMERS NATIONAL TITLES ARE ILLEGITIMATE, BUT OUR TWO SEC TITLES WON IN 1988 AND 1989 AREN’T!”

    “MOMMY, DADDY, T-TOWNERS CAN SAY WE DON’T KNOW HOW TO PARTY OR TAILGATE ALL WE WANT, BUT LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN, IT’S BECAUSE WE FOCUS MORE ON SCHOOLWORK THAN WE DO FUN!”

  5. 8
    larry davis

    hey chrissy uat will never be back on

    top in this state when it comes to football. AUBURN is KING. uat will soon

    be the 3rd best in our state. keep paying

    satan all that money.

  6. 10
    Bryan McClure

    Your website is entitled “Capstone Report”, and yet, your first 3 articles have been about Auburn. I dont understand, if it’s about Alabama athletics, then why have you only written about Auburn?

  7. 11
    Chrissy

    Hey Trailer Park Larry,

    Keep in mind you echo the same exact statement during all of your periods of success.

    API is a dying brick so soak it up while you can. Keep in mind you’ve owned us in recruiting throughout your entire streak of luck, yet you’ve only defeated us by an average of 7 points or less.

    Now that we’re officially OFF of probation, and the fact that we’re OWNING YOU in recruiting, do you honestly think you can continue to rely on one big screw up on our behalf to beat us by a hairline?

    Think again, the flagship institute will once again slap the stepchild institute back into their rightful place in this state.

    It’s pathetic knowing you win six straight, oddly enough, AFTER your opponent is beaten and bruised by the NCAA, ESPECIALLY AFTER ONLY WINNING A PATHETIC 4 OUT OF 12 IRON BOWLS PRIOR TO 2002.

    Enjoy it barnie, API’s at their peak, your brief success is nearly over. Now it’ll be another 30 years before API even tastes success like this again.

  8. 12
    007

    Only a true Barnie is gullible enough to believe his very own delusional thoughts.

    I’d like to collect a handful of these email addresses, just for keepsake, so I can bring these posts to their attention once BAMA picks up where they left off prior to our five year probationary period.

    Go to hell API Cowgirls!

  9. 13
    Kevin

    Yes, your obsession about all things Auburn is noted, Mr. “Capstone.”

    As for the allegations….if “Shane from Centerpoint” is not sure enough of himself to actually attach his last name to his allegations, then no one is going to take him seriously. And with the obviously pro-bama media in this state, if there was truly a smoking gun, it would have been thoroughly exposed ages ago.

    The fact that you need to post something written by “Shane the Centerpoint Village Idiot” (who is such a moron he has actually now been BANNED from that moron-magnet Finebaum show” tells us all we need to know about you and your weak-ass obsessions with the might Auburn Tigers.

  10. 14
    BamaFanInNYC

    Bryan McClure, please let’s refrain from touching base on that subject, especially if you yourself are a tech fan. You can’t find one bama tech site, or forum that doesn’t evolve around or frequently speak of Alabama on a daily basis. My brother, unfortunately for him, is an alumni if bama tech and he always said there’s more of everything concerning Alabama in that raggedy town than in T-Town. You guys broke the barrier with worrying more about another team. The majority of these posts are simple retaliations to what you guys have consistently blabbed about us.

  11. 15
    WillisMann

    QUESTION: What is the only thing both Alabama fans and Alabama Polytechnic Institute/East Alabama Cow or Male College/Aubarn University/Universit of Alabama at Opelika fans have in common?

    ANSWER: They both enjoy talking more about Alabama than the do ANYTHING else!

  12. 17
    mike

    Willis-

    Answer: They both consider games at Bryant-Denny (Jordan-Hare West) stadium as home games:)

    Rammer Jammer

  13. 18
    WillisMann

    Mike-

    I’d much rather have an 0-6 losing streak at home (considering we’ve only played there 6 times–4 being on probation — since the beginning of time) than have an overall losing streak in general.

    You guys will do anything in your pitiful little power to cover that fact up. Try again, barnie!

  14. 20
    mike

    Willis-

    When we win again this next year, will you count that as 5 being on probation?

    You can say whatever you want to help justify your current losing streak because deep down inside you know what Bammer has become.

  15. 22
    Mike Evans

    Again a comment from Gatoland. The college proprams today are quite different from the day Shug Jordan and Bear Bryant arrived at their respective universities low those many years ago. Many coaches today try very hard to find those students that can come in and try and elevate themselves to a different level of life. The backgrounds of many today do not match up with knowing how to eleveate without many, including their coaches, finding a way to help them get there.

    To blame the head coach for every mis-deed is reaching far out into unreality. They can not be with them today as in the days of the dorms for all types of college players. They are out on their own and trying to find their way and sometimes thoses influences they grew up with pull them back in a big way. Since 85% of Alabama and Auburn fans have no concept of what I am talking about then it makes it even worse.

    Due to the unrealistic rivalry in the great state of Alabama the respective fans throw rocks at each other 52 weeks out of the year. From afar it is too bad Alabama never got their Pro Teams going since it is a way to divert the attention to other things during and after football season. Since it never happened this back biting and rock throwing will continue into eternity. Blame Tommy and Nick for all things bad in Alabama while the rest of us concentrate on important things like National Titles, Stanley Cups, NBA Crowns, and Super Boal wins.

    Oh Gator football is very important in Florida as well as the Seminoles and Hurricanes. It just seems we do not throw all those rocks all year long. Many of us wish the Alabama faithful would get a life and try and fight about more than Auburn. Hard to change all that since the series came back in the late fourties I guess.

    Too bad to. So much wasted energy.

  16. 23
    BAMAFan

    JIMMY JOHNS… What else can be said… Tuberville knows BAMA has a bunch of thugs… Yes everyone will have players with problems, happens at every school… Does not make Tuberville a hypocrite… how much REAL trouble have his kids been in?

  17. 24
    007

    Mike, Larry, Kevin, Sixdownnow36-0, where are all you pussy-ass rednecks now?

    What real men you are!

    36-0! Order has been restored (just as I said).

    ROLL TIDE, BITCHES!

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