Shane: Trouble on the Plains

By Shane from Centerpoint

When Auburn head football coach Gene Chizik took the job he said he was prepared to step up and do whatever it took to establish authority and gain complete control over the football program. Chizik promised an almost militaristic (drawn from years spent as military brat) approach to team discipline, vowing that Auburn players were going to do things the right way.

Apparently sophomore tailback Eric Smith forgot everything Coach Chizik taught him on that fateful night when he decided to use the “classless” tactic of a blind assault to disable an individual before allegedly kicking the man after he downed him.

This incident was nothing more than a brutal result of Chizik’s allowing a thug to play for his team in spite of the risk involved.

Talk about going off the rails – Smith committed the assault directly in front of police officers. Eric’s blatant display of cheap aggression and lack of concern that the authorities were present not only cast a dark cloud over the Auburn program, but his actions served notice that many tough decisions await Chizik in the future.

Before we go any further, let me state that this early–morning episode had several questionable subplots surrounding it that give rise to a legitimate inquiry.

Why did the Auburn police department only charge Smith with disorderly conduct in the original arrest? If they witnessed the ambush first-hand, why didn’t they immediately apply the assault charges they later filed? This type of activity (actually inactivity) gives credence to long-held beliefs that football players receive special treatment from the local authorities.

At least two other football players were allegedly involved. Ironically, like Smith, they are sophomores. I point out their class because the players involved with the assault situation are alleged to be members of an internal gang (or group) of sophomores who call themselves the “Swag Team”.

According to a lawsuit centered on the case, Smith and/or two others knocked one man unconscious (inside the building) prior to Eric’s blind-siding the young man outside.

Truthfully, we may never know the complete story about the entire incident. I don’t think a police report was even written on the guy inside who was knocked unconscious. And, judging by the fact that Smith was only arrested for “minor” charges originally, one could easily believe that solving the inside issue was not a priority for the police.

Nevertheless, there are no “campus police” at Auburn. The city police department covers the school. That alone could present perception problems when combined with perceived procedural blunders like those associated with the Smith attack.

To his credit, Coach Chizik initially suspended Smith after his arrest. However, he never mentioned any other players being involved. In fact, the Auburn coach has failed to acknowledge anybody else as taking part in the beating of the guy upstairs, even though two of Smith’s teammates could possibly be added to the lawsuit at any time.

It is fairly clear to me that Chizik couldn’t afford to lose the other two individuals. They are starters. Auburn’s depth problems are well-known and the loss of these two “key” players could’ve spelled disaster this year.

The depth issue – although it’s not a valid excuse – may also serve to explain Chizik’s reasoning when he decided to allow Smith back into the line-up, especially after only a one-–game suspension! After all, Ben Tate has been the only healthy running–back available on a consistent basis. Chizik needed a body.

I find it uncharacteristic for a man of Chizik’s caliber (if you don’t believe me, just ask Pat Dye) to allow Smith to continue to be part of the team. The way Gene handled this deal almost gives the appearance that he was willing to forget the vicious nature of Smith’s attack, mainly because Eric catches passes well and is an excellent third–down back.

Actually, Coach Chizik might’ve already played his last card when he put Smith on the field. His actions didn’t send a resounding message to the team stating that, if you go too far, you’re off the team. Instead, Smith’s teammates might be thinking that their head coach is soft, or even worse, a sell-out.

In direct contrast to his public claims of transparency, I’m of the opinion that Gene Chizik’s handling of the entire Eric Smith (and others) case has been disingenuous at best.

Just the idea that three (maybe more) of his players were ignoring curfew, partying at some motel, and jumping civilians in late-night brawls should indicate to Chizik that his disciplinary system has failed.

Auburn fans might need to start thinking about whether the current Tiger commander has the capacity to realize that his team’s apparent lack of discipline off the field may be transferring over to game-day.

In fact, Auburn’s inability to stop committing crucial penalties and turnovers has cost them two or three games this year. It’s ironic that both errors are a result of lack of discipline.

Alarming evidence is beginning to stack up against Chizik’s reputation as a tough disciplinarian, and his actions pertaining to Eric Smith did nothing to help his case.
—Shane writes a weekly column for the Call News and the Capstone Report.



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  1. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 9:16 am #

    Sucker punching someone and then beating the he** out of them in front of the police is not small stuff.

  2. Randall November 25, 2009 at 9:19 am #

    By the way EG White…I am going to play the innocent card…I’m not a druggie like you apparently are. Just because you are doesn’t mean the rest of the world is.

    http://www.wareaglenews.com

  3. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 9:20 am #

    Once again Ballplay justifying your thugs by pointing out ours does not address the situation and is quiet childish. The guy administered a beatdown on an innocent student, if it was your son/brother would you still be defending Smith.

  4. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 9:23 am #

    My cousin almost died from Coke. I think EG’s point is drugs have touched us all. If he meant to condone pushers and using then I misunderstood him, drug use is tragic.

  5. Randall November 25, 2009 at 9:38 am #

    I don’t think EG has much of a POINT. He’s just justifying what Jimmy Johns did, he’s defending a drug dealer. You don’t hear me on here defending Robert Baker…he was a scumbag just like Johns.

    When you have a hundred kids in a program, having one guy defend himself after getting sucker punched isn’t that big of a deal. Despite Finebaum and Shane and an ambulance chasing attorney trying to fan the flames.

  6. AUROX November 25, 2009 at 9:44 am #

    Taxman…..you have no f’ing idea if the kid Smith beat up was an “innocent student.” No idea. And I don’t either.
    What I do know, is the attorney representing him, Wendy Crew, has made a fat living off of defending and suing on behalf of politically correct “victims.” Remember the knucklehead who led police on a prolonged high speed chase through Birmingham, endangering countless people, hyped up on coke? Yea when the cops caught up to him, they put a beat down on him. And more power to them. Well Ms. holier than thou Wendy Crew represented him in his civil suit against the police department. This is not much more than a high profile shakedown, because the attorney knows there is big money on the line because it was a football player involved. Now put that in perspective.

  7. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 10:18 am #

    So if you get beat up do not hire a high profile attorney hire someone you never heard of. By the way, just because the attorney is no saint does not mean their client is wrong. Would you rather have a lawyer who was really a soft spoken nice guy or a ruthless pit bull?

  8. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 10:35 am #

    Tax, I am not justifying ours by pointing out yours. I am dissappointed with ours and yours. Therein lies the difference between most AU fans when compared to UA fans. I say, if its true, boot the kid permanantly. Send as message and move on.

    Now remind me how many times I heard that during the dozen or so incidents that your CURRENT couch allowed.

  9. E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 10:38 am #

    Randall you’re about a dumb SOB. I specifically said that I was not justifying Johns conduct! I was putting recreational drugs into perspective with beating someone half to death! I do not use drugs, but I defend yours and every other adult age persons right to use them recreationally, just as you have the right to get shitface drunk and or be an alcoholic. It’s bureaucratic and social bullshit. There’s no difference between the two! You other idiot. Don’t try to compare Halls breaking of an unspecified team rule, to trying to beat someone to death, you ignorant bastard! (Not you BPI). You’re not a bastard! Bwwaaa haaww haaww! Another thing. The reports of an underclassman football gang who purpotrate violence and other illegal activities, does not sound to me like this is an isolated incident, or that Chizik has his program under control as you would like us to believe dude! RTR!

  10. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 10:47 am #

    Which dozen events are you talking about at Troy (Alabama fan Troy Grad). However, to your point Saban has cleaned up. How much police blotter has Bama had in the last 18 months?

  11. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 10:52 am #

    Coaches CURRENT (what is with the capitalization?) or otherwise do not allow this stuff to happen at any school. If you are going to recruit top flight talent (85 scholarship players) and then will not be allowed to house them in athletic dorms so the staff can supervise them then the coaches should not be held responsible for the actions of a few bad apples. The exception is when the coaches try to cover it up like what happened in Colorado a few years back.

  12. Randall November 25, 2009 at 10:55 am #

    That’s my point EG…but your aren’t going to get it. Using recreational drugs is illegal you dumb Bammer!!! I don’t condone it! On one hand you don’t defend it but you defend the rights of others to use it?

    If Shane and a ambulance chaser qualify as “REPORTS” of Auburn having an illegal gang operating within the football team, I need to come with some “REPORTS” about Alabama. It’s stupid, immature, and ridiculous. Why in the hell can’t you just enjoy the good season ya’ll are having?

  13. Prophet November 25, 2009 at 10:58 am #

    I will be on the A Tix bus watching quietly the moves of the roundtable crew. LT will state several times how he doesn’t pull for either school. He doesn’t know that I know what will happen in the next 2 weeks and the January reorg of Jox. It’s critical the te insiders here know what’s going on. The winds will blow out of the north as a fresh breath of air arrives and the carpetbagger will be released. Please rebuke thee if you must!

  14. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 11:21 am #

    Tax , since you do not know , when someone uses all caps they are trying to EMPHASIZE something…..But if I didnt know better , I would think you were just being a smartass (sarcasm)….Anyhow. The head coach hands down disciplin for rule breakers, correct ? So, by not punishing rulebreakers, its safe to asssume that many more young men will break the rules, right ? If you have kids , you know what I speak of. Nick Saban did not suspend or punish any of the 12-14 thugs that ran amuck in T-town when he arrived in year one, or last year. Yes , I am aware that the text book crew got suspended, and if you think that Saban would have suspended then on his own, your nuts. that came straight down from the NCAA. As far as Hall, a half game supension against LAMO ? Oh wait, they beat you , didnt they….Lot of good that one did , right ? I get your drift about dorms. I think its something that should still be instituted. Your defensive end wouldnt have gotten shot if he were in a dorm…

    All Im saying is that Nick Saban has let PLENTY (yes, all caps), go on in his tenure….Chizik suspended Smith for a few games, wich is much more than your guy that hit a security guard got. But IMO it isnt enough, and I feel once all the legal things are figured out, Smith will be gone.

    Egg, You know the “swagga” gang is just a lawyer looking for an angle, right ? And please tell me your kidding about recreational drugs…

  15. ken November 25, 2009 at 11:23 am #

    Taxman, since you’re a bammer you might not have a good grasp on how higher educational systems work. Maybe you quit after 9th grade. I graduated auburn at 23. I chose to work a couple years, (i’m 26 btw not 27). Now, i’m thinking about grad school. I must have missed that rule that you have to go to grad school before the age of 27. In fact a lot of companies will pay for grad school, including mine, so its in my best interest to work a few years and take advantage of that. I’m guessing being the fry boy at mcdonalds doesnt have those type perks huh?

    RTR053, this is my first time posting on this site or one of shane’s articles. The fact that shane wants to write about auburn all the time is funny. Not to mention he brings up auburn daily on finebaum. The only reason i commented in the first place is because it was a hypocritical article since a bama person wrote it. Had this been on the vandy site, i would have read it and move on.

    E.G., i can assure that kid wasnt beaten half to death or maimed. ha. the police report said he had a cut over his eye. And by the way didnt Rashad Johnson get arrested after scuffling with a cop? I guess that’s more excuseable than getting in a bar fight with another guy, beating up authority. hitting your girlfriend is okay too probably. I live in auburn and my first time hearing of this so called gang was when wendy mentioned it. You think i would have noticed something by now. I see the players out from time to time, and i’ve never noticed anything remotely close to what she described. i cant wait to see this case get laughed out of court. I dorespect your computer knowledge though Mr. E.G. Being an engineering grad, i appreciate where technology has started from and is now.

  16. ken November 25, 2009 at 11:40 am #

    Let me say something about this wendy crew for a second. Do you guys not find it odd that she is this guy’s lawyer? All the attorney’s in alabama and they happen to pick the one who is good friends with finebaum? or one that is seen in a pic with joe namath? i’m not saying its an alabama conspiracy or anything. But when you have thousands of attorney’s out there, how do you end up with this one? The incident took place in auburn. Don’t you think an attorney in lee county would be more familar with the police/judges/court systems in the area. Hell, even one from Montgomery would probably be more familar. Something just doesnt feel right about this. And why go on finebaum of all places to talk about the suit? Wouldnt an actual news program be more appropriate? Wouldnt not going on the radio at all be more appropriate? Something about all this just doesnt sit well. Take off the crimson glasses for a minute and think about it. If courtney upshaw’s g/f decided to sue and sought counsel from an attorney that lives in Auburn or Opelika, i would think that was strange as well.

  17. E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 11:42 am #

    Prophet, STFU! Randall, it was Shanes article. Not his testamony, moron. One of the defendants and their atty reported the gang. So, we await the outcome of the trial to learn the truth. And I don’t give a shit if drugs are illegal or not. Don’t try to play that dumbass double standard shit with me! Alcohol was illegal during prohibition and it was the national pasttime finding ways to drink anyway. There are many dry counties around this country right now, as if that’s not stupid as shit! There are absurd numbers of laws in this country that are pure bullshit and interére with a persons right to control their own body. These include prostitution, abortion, touching in an affectionate manner in public, restrictions on things a married couple can do during sex, how and when you choose to die, how you buiild your house and what you can have on your property. The list goes on. All selfrightous, bureaucratic, social bullshit! I do what I want to do, and I don’t hurt anybody. So fuck ‘em. I’m Randy Weaver reborn!

  18. Randall November 25, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    EG….we are going to have to agree to disagree on drugs. But Shanes “articles” are supposed to come with some kind of journalistic liability. I understand he is writing columns, which contain opinion but he still has to worry about ‘slander’. All I am saying is he better have a source other than a lawyer who goes on Finebaum.

    Randall http://www.wareaglenews.com

  19. E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 12:13 pm #

    BPI, that’s why I said let the trial clear it all up. And you other morons don’t try to change it and say he wasn’t beat up. There are witnesses and security camera videos. What do you think an Auburn cop is going to put in his report about a star football player? Especially since he only chose to call it ‘disorderly conduct’! LOL! As for Rashad, I do believe it was a security guard and not a cop. I have been in several scuffles with stupid $5 an hour thinking they’re all badass rent-a-cops myself. Probably happen again too. I’ve backed some down and made em get out of my face. Don’t like em and don’t put up with em unless I’ve done something criminal. They’re untrained and extremely uneducated in the nuances of the myriad rules or laws they’re trying to enforce. For that matter so are some cops. I’m kind of an anarchist. Ha ha!

  20. E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 12:32 pm #

    Omnipissant would probably fall in love with me if he read my last two posts. LMFAO! Anyway, I’m a little easier to get along with than I sound on here. It’s just an Awbren, UcheaT, Corndog, Gayturd thing. Bwwaaa Haaww Haaww! RTR!

  21. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 12:39 pm #

    I sure hope so…You sound a little like Adolf Hitler / Ted Bundy….

  22. ken November 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm #

    “TPD officers then moved in and took Johnson into custody after a brief struggle. A large crowd
    had gathered during the incident and additional officers with TPD and UA responded to assist
    with crowd control. Johnson was not injured.
    One TPD officer received a minor abrasion to his knee during the arrest, but did not require medical attention.”

    found that online. Unless TPD is short for security guard, it soulds like Johnson got in a scuffle with a cop. That minor knee abrasion doesnt happen if Johnson doesnt resist arrest.

  23. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 1:06 pm #

    What about Jeremy Elder ? Yall memba him dont you ? The SABAN recruit that held up the pizza guy at gunpoint ?

  24. Carl November 25, 2009 at 1:16 pm #

    Coulda, woulda, mighta, ifa, whena,theya, and all the other bull crap that comes from you university of awebeen folks, and that sux vol. Its bout 48 hours until kick off and then the woulda, coulda will start up again or some offical will have been paid off.
    Fact is aubs, Bama is 11-0, soon to be 12-0, and sux vol your team suxs so bad no body other than toilet dwellers like yourself even know what their record is.
    BAMA-43, Aubs-3
    ROLL TIDE ROLL

    Tick,tick, tick, tick…………….

  25. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 1:31 pm #

    Ken if you had read all of the post you would have found that I mentioned in one that I graduated from Troy University. I also have a masters degree and I am a CPA, hence the name taxman. I grasp that you come on a rivals site flame and then get thin skinned when called out. The fact that you found old archived police blotter from a newspaper and straight copied it reinforces my opinion that you have a lot of time on your hands (along with the KY).

  26. Taxman November 25, 2009 at 1:36 pm #

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone (ken remember the Turkey is for eating not copulation).

  27. ken November 25, 2009 at 1:40 pm #

    hmm..and the fact that you can find time to post on this blog like everyone else implies that you have a lot of time on your hands as well. and the name taxman implies nothing. hell, i could put my tag as CEO, NFL star, or president of the usa, doesnt mean i really am.

    troy university..ha figures..thats like an extended high school..could you not get in at your beloved alabama? TROY??? ha. way to dream big!

  28. E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 1:46 pm #

    You think Saban phsyco-analyzes every recruit? Maybe that’s why Curry didn’t like to recruit in the projects? Did you see Elder playing after that happened? No? I thought not! Did you see Smith play? Yes? I thought so! Janzen J. was in the get-away car and watching out, or why did he go to the robbers and say we gotta go and left with them. Is he being indicted as an accomplice? No? I thought not! I rest my case! “Adolf Hitler/Ted Bundy”??? A facist dictator/mass murderer??? I picture myself a little more reserved than that! Maybe, Mad Max/Conan The Barbarian! LMFAO! RTR!

  29. ken November 25, 2009 at 1:55 pm #

    are you really comparing elder (armed robbery) to smith (bar fight)? its not even close. If you rob someone with a gun you should be in jail and not playing again. Let me ask you, hypothetically speaking, lets say some guy was being rude to your wife and you got in a fight with this guy and knocked him out in the process, should you never be able to work at your job again? Some crimes are just more tolerable than others. Not condoning smith, but a bar fight and armed robbery is comparing apples to oranges. Now the Janzen kid, i’m not really sure. The cops said he didnt know the others were about to do that. but i’m with you, if thats the case, why would you ever get in the car and leave with them. He should have used better judgement after the fact.

  30. CrimsonBlood81 November 25, 2009 at 2:27 pm #

    Hey E.G. — I was reading your post earlier about the old school days of computing. I’m 28 years old and I know about the BBS’s and I remember when the 9600BPS modems came out — we thought that was going to be the fastest thing ever from a 2400bps. Then the 14.4 came out and we thought that was the final straw. THEN the 28.8 came out which was almost $300 — I got it — and I was smokin on local BBS’s — remember back in the day of DOS and 5.25 floppy’s and when 3.5′s came out — it was amazing — hell I remember when the CD-ROM came out and if you had a 4X speed — you were smoking — ahh the good ‘ole days —

  31. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm #

    And your 28 ? Where you computing at age 4 ? We got oursleves a little Doogie Howser here….

    Egg…. My point is, yall daaaaammmmmmnnnn shore dont want to start throwing rocks about that subject, as your very brittle glass house will come tumbling down…There were two times that Saban has “suspendied” a player for more than a game….Jimmy Johns and Jeremy Elder….Man, hes a hardass……A mean it was only distibution of Cocaine and armed robbery !!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHHAHAH AA!!!!!!!!cough, cough,,I gotta quit smoking those cigars…

  32. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 3:54 pm #

    Egg… Maybe the Hitler / Bundy was a little harsh…

    more like Richard Simmons meets Hank Williams Junior ????????

  33. AUROX November 25, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    News flash……I don’t give a fuck about Eric Smith or the “5th year engineering student/cool guy playing with fire when you play with another man’s girlfriend” or the “swag”. Do any of us, really? Are you bammers not just trying to find something to bash Auburn about? Really? Hardly any of these guys are saints, on ANY team.
    Friday afternoon the real bragging rights will begin, one way or another.

    WAR EAGLE!!!!!!! and let THE GAME begin.

  34. Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. Formerly E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 7:35 pm #

    Absolutly AUROX! That is exactly what it’s all about. Bash the shit out of Auburn! You hit the nail on the head! This is a Bama board! You know kinda like what ya’ll do to us on Tiger Sports Forum and The Gold Mine and such! RTR!

  35. Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. Formerly E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 7:58 pm #

    Over on Rivals the Barners are trying to blow out of context something Javier said so they can get some bulletin board material. They know they are already fucked from what Tate said about Ingram. Man, with Aubies run defense, you don’t piss off the Heisman leader! How stupid. Ingy might get 300 and Trent 200! They don’t realize that Javy is klnd of stupid. It’s not his fault that 4 years ago he didn’t know who or where Auburn was! ROTFLMFAO! RTR!

  36. Auburn is a joke the fan formerly known as Ballplay Indian November 25, 2009 at 9:42 pm #

    Crimsonite, I love the new name. After Friday, I will go back to plain ole B.I. Its been a long year.

  37. BamaBorn November 25, 2009 at 10:07 pm #

    I hate to state the obvious but since the educated unreasonable must not get it.

    The barneys claim to visit to right wrongs written about their beloved university in the prettiest village on the plains. Is it not the only village in the state?

    I think during orientation the first words spoken must be about how aubarn would be nothing without the school and Tuscaloosa would still be Tuscaloosa without THE UNIVERSITY of ALABAMA.

    aubarn university is an agriculture college. It was specifically built in the country for this reason. It could have been built on any flood plain in the state and thus received its namesake from any small town in the state, but it will never be THE UNIVERSITY of ALABAMA.

    I am proud we have an agriculture college in our state. I love to eat. I need the services of a veterinarian. The timber industry is very important to our state. Our state is full of wildlife that needs management. But, to think there is something truly special about aubarn is delusional. Twenty thousand drunken kids separate aubarn from all other small towns in the state.

    We do not hate your school. We will never understand your thought of being an equal to us in football. Our superiority is not questionable. You lose all credibility on all subjects when you argue things that lack any of the fundamentals of accuracy.

    The argument here is football. We are ALABAMA. Unless you are from Michigan or Notre Dame, you have no reason to argue.

    I have never nor will ever visit your pathetic barney blogs. Who cares what the educated without reason fans have to say. You have chosen your path. Live with your choice, but understand you will always and have always been nothing in football.

    As long as you look at this blog you will never find us treating your football program with the respect you desire. You desire something not given but earned.

    It sux to be an aubarn tiger. What sux more is it was the unreasonable choice of many idiots.

  38. Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. Formerly E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 10:36 pm #

    The Crimsonite has arrived from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away, to assist the mighty Super Tide in their quest to subdue the many Super Imposters in this country. We will begin this week with the Super Imposter Tigers who also pose as Battle Buzzards and then move on to the Super Imposter Gayturds next week. Then we will start the new year off by irradicating the Super Imposter Whorns. Beware the debilitating power of the Crimsonite! RTR!

  39. shane November 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm #

    BamaBorn,
    That is simply the most articulate and accurate message ever delivered to the Auburn “family” by a Crimson Tide man. Nevertheless, the Aubies will attack you for telling them exactly what all (true) Alabama people think and feel about them. I have no doubt that the cold, hard truth you expounded will strike deep and the pain from your words will cause them to act irrationally. Don’t believe me? Just read the future post by the Auburn contingent.

  40. alex hamilton November 25, 2009 at 11:17 pm #

    Ken, you’re a total fucking douchebag. I sincerely hope that one day, when you’re 50, you realize that you were an elitist punk in your 20′s.

    Or are you just one of those good ‘ole Brookies that runs his mouth and feels the need to put down Alabama?

    As long as we are talking stats, here’s one for you. The statistics you cite are flawed. The UA test scores are slightly lower than AU. Why? UA conscientiously seeks out students of all backgrounds to attend our school,,, not just a few who can play ball.

    Furthermore, our ballers are smarter than your ballers.

    Lastly, UA has more National Merit finalists than AU over the last 10 years. In other words, and in laymans terms that even you should understand, the best at Alabama score much higher than the best Auburn has to offer. Our average scores are reduced because we have more students and a very diverse freshman class.

    Test scores are just to get in the door. It is up to each student to stay on campus. I’ve seen just as many flunk out of school that lived in Mallet as those that lived in Burke.

    And, Julia, I did graduate Cum Laude. This is not to be confused with Cumming Loudly, which is apparently what you do when you fantasize about Morgan Fairchild. Really? Morgan Fairchild? Dude she was 10 years past her prime when I stepped foot on campus.

    For the record, I dated at UA and married the 2nd runner up in the Miss Alabama pagent. Julia married his cousin. And the fucked up thing is that she gives him orders.

    Put it to you like this Julia. Show my wife’s picture vs. your wife’s picture to the posters on this forum and all of them would pick mine over yours. However, it wouldn’t really be fair. Most of them would probably throw up in their mouth when they see you with her.

  41. alex hamilton November 25, 2009 at 11:32 pm #

    And for the last time, it’s intellectually dishonest to claim that you have to be an alumnus of a University to be a fan. Grow up Bamaferg. There’s nothing wrong with people choosing to spend their money to be a small part of Alabama Athletics.

    People love what they love. And, it’s a condescending fallacy to cast aspersions on others just because they don’t acquire a degree from a school, yet they love a school and identify themselves as a fan of a school.

    And Ken, a “fallacy” isn’t what you had to do to an Active in the bedroom of his apartment so he would approve you as a Pledge to KA.

  42. Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. Formerly E.G. White November 25, 2009 at 11:45 pm #

    The truth is that Alabama has one of the nation highest athlete graduation rates. Much higher than Auburns, and that’s without having degrees for watching grass grow, or credit for classes not attended. We also are tied for most pre graduate athletes. Furthermore a lower overall gpr would indicate that Law and Medicine are a hell of a lot tougher than Veterinarian and Agriculture!

  43. Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. Formerly E.G. White November 26, 2009 at 12:11 am #

    Ha! Looks lite those demented shitbags Indiana Volunqueer, zionhippie2, Bama Hate and Delusional Check have already flown the coop in anticipation of the monumental ass whippin their teams got comin in 37.5 hours. There will be others disappearing too. RTR!

  44. BamaBorn November 26, 2009 at 6:01 am #

    Thanks Shane.

    Mr. E.G., I think they have already hit hit the bottle. (HARD) There is nothing like a drunk on Thanksgiving. I hope the wife and kids left town.

    What does is a barney have to be thankful for?

    It sux, as it always has, to be an aubarn tiger!

    It sux even more the day before the Iron Bowl.

  45. Shane's Got Swine Flu and must have passed it on to EG November 27, 2009 at 3:31 pm #

    wheres the ass whippin d head?

  46. Shane's Got Swine Flu and must have passed it on to EG November 27, 2009 at 6:10 pm #

    Congrats Bama on a game well played. I guess that “high school” offense must have caught the Tide by surprise cause it out-performed that bland Ingram lead offense Bama had out on the field. I guess the only hope Bama has for a Heisman candidate now is Arenas. He is far and away the best player Bama puts on the field.

    I don’t believe in “moral” victories. i do however believe in “moral” loses and I think that’s what this game will do for Bama. It will set them back. I know the mentality of the Bammers on this blog. Character building, versatility, perseverance, yadda, yadda, yadda, are all the sentiments that will be put forward, but Auburn exposed Bama for what they are…a quality team but one dimensional. Yea they were good enough to pass to a win against Auburn, the 89th ranked pass defense in the country, but Florida and who ever they play in the Sugar Bowl will be much better. Just like last year, they will lose their last 2 games of the year.

    It’s not sour grapes, though I’m sure that’s what it will be called (along with other names most of the trash mouths on this blog seem to resort to).

    Bamas O line against the pass defense, QB and Arenas made the difference. Much admiration for them! Auburn played a very good game and did just about everything they needed to do to win. They did not force any turnovers and thats what they needed to do to win. Defense played good, just not good enough. The Auburn coaches did a very good job…they will only get better.

    Great Iron Bowl!! Congratulations Bama!!

  47. AUROX November 28, 2009 at 7:19 am #

    WAR EAGLE!!!
    Not bad for a “high school” offense and 74 scolarship players! As I said last week, let Chizik get his players in here, and it’s a whole other ballgame. And you know it! Straight-up out coached for 58.5 minutes.

    Enjoy the 2 game winning streak!

  48. UAROX November 28, 2009 at 3:24 pm #

    I guess when we had those scholarships losses from NCAA sanctions that was a different matter. Anyways, good moral victory Auburn. You played a good game. Now if you don’t mind I’ll be watching my team in the SEC Championship game. Roll Tide !!!!

  49. UAROX November 28, 2009 at 3:27 pm #

    Also, 6 in a row over a NCAA handicapped team and coaching changes because of the turmoil is what Aubies like to brag about…..Good Job ! We’re back, NCAA gave you your day in the sun. An even playing field is a bitch, isn’t Barners.

  50. Carl November 29, 2009 at 2:23 am #

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda, mighta, ifa, whena,buta, hopea, justa, kinda, leta, nexta.

    DIDN’Ta

    Moral victory for the university of awebeen? I think not.

    Enjoy the Liberty Bowl, Losers!!!!

    ROLLLLLLLL TIDE ROLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

    Talk all you like, make all the excuses you want, FACT is Bama is 12-0! Headed to Atlanta and who knows from there.

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