Time to praise the NCAA

Hate the NCAA all you want, but it was right in this case.

While it feels good to rage against the arbitrary and capricious enforcement actions of the NCAA and its Committee on Infractions, Alabama Crimson Tide fans should realize the Committee’s penalties were not designed to harm the school. In fact, the Committee on Infractions selected a vacation of wins penalty as a means of mercy.

That is right. The NCAA was merciful to Alabama. The Committee would have been within its rights to seek far harsher penalties because of Alabama’s recidivism. The Committee on Infractions said it considered harsher penalties. In its public report the Committee said, “In fact, because of the institution’s extensive recent history of infractions cases, the committee strongly considered making a more serious finding of a lack of institutional control, rather than a failure to monitor. However, because the institution ultimately detected the violations and promptly reported them, the committee decided against making the more serious finding of lack of institutional control.”

The Committee on Infractions picked the least possible charge and enforced a very minor penalty for the violation. How is this bad? How is this bad for Alabama?

It isn’t popular to say this, but Alabama’s chaotic administration over the last 25 years created an environment where compliance was lacking. And the textbook case was another instance. The Committee on Infractions would have been within its right to advance a more serious charge and put forward scholarship reductions or postseason bans.

How can anyone complain about giving up a few irrelevant wins when scholarship reductions or a postseason ban could have been the outcome?

In this case, the NCAA worked cooperatively with the University of Alabama. The penalties were reasonable, and the NCAA deserves praise for it.


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  1. 1

    I will praise the ncaa 5 minutes after Hell freezes over, 5 minutes after Obama becomes pro business, 5 minutes after Rush becomes pro Obama, 5 minutes after Rev. Wright pens a book about his favorite white people, 5 minutes after David Duke pens a book about his favorite black people, and 10 minutes after Sen. Hatch gets over Utah not winning the NC in 2008.

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    Irrelevant wins? There’s no such thing as an irrelevant win. One of those “irrelevant wins” was a last second victory over hated Tennessee and Phil Fulmer when Roman Harper caused a UT fumble to go out of the end zone. Daniel Moore thought enough of it to paint it. It’s called “Rocky Block”. Taking away 21 victory’s drops The U of A significantly in all time wins, especially SEC wins. Hell, Tennessee is now within a few SEC wins of taking over 1st place. Also, 2005 was one of UA’s 29 10-win season’s, which ranks UA first in that department. Textbookgate didn’t involve recruiting violations or cause UA to have an unfair advantage. As far as I’m concerned, the NCAA can rot in hell.

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    Also, The U of A discovered and reported these violations to the NCAA when they could’ve covered them up. What the NCAA didn’t sends a message to all football-playing schools that even when you cooperate you’ll still get hammered. Sorry Cap, but we disagree on this one.
    By the way, I made one mistake on my post above. Daniel Moore’s painting was called “Rocky Stop”.

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    Ballplay Indian

    The Mt. Cody field goal game was the “Rocky BLock” I think.

    Cap. You are gonna get a new a-hole ripped on this one. Even though you are right.

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    On the USC blogs, they’re taking the NCAA’s response to Alabama’s infractions as a good sign. They seem to think that they’ll skate by as well.

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    We need to seek relief from the NCAA in Federal Court. Cause them to spend a couple million dollars on their defense. That’ll make ’em think twice about using BAMA as a whipping boy!

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    Bama Fan in NYC

    What a crock of $#!^%!

    I refuse to vacate anything! In fact, the only activity I will be participating in, involving this matter, is the official boycotting of the National Communist Athletic Association club.

    The University SHOULD NOT vacate these wins in their record books, and neither should the fans, especially those who actually paid a fairly large amount of money to attend these games.

    The whole textbook ordeal is not only ridiculous, but it also pales in comparison to what recently leaked out of coonass-ville, and the Sociology scandals in Lee County.

    The players gained no advantage on the field. It didn’t help them win games. It wasn’t cheating, unless you say they “cheated the system”. But still, they were punished and in addition, half of those players never actually saw the field at UA.

    Screw the National Communist Athletic Association. I never want to hear one Alabama fan claim that our wins were vacated. Let the National Communist Athletic Association vacate them in their meaningless books. They can take those same books and shove them for all I care, because to we the fans and University, it should be irrelevant. We should still claim those wins. Period.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    Capstone report is not only wrong, you’re full of shit too. You’re either solid rock stupid or were bought out by the Barners at the Birmingham News. I’m not retyping my post from the previous topic yesterday on Bamas response or any of my posts from last year either. Go there and read em if you’re interested. Bama doesn’t deserve a Goddamn thing from the NZAA since they never proved a violation was commited. Fuck you and anybody else who accepts or agrees with that unadulterated BULLSHIT! Roll Tide Roll All Over Your Asses! Dipshits!

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    You surprised me with this take and dang it if you ain’t right.I hate it,but its true that its the lesser of the two evils.With that said……….DIPSHITS !!

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    The only problem I have with this notion is, the matter wasn’t an NCAA issue to begin with. One of the main functions of the NCAA is to prevent competitive advantages between its member institutions. The textbook matter did not fall into that category. No athlete was being enticed to come to play for the Tide because he/she might be able to let his friends use his/her textbook vouchers, or get an extra $.50 syllabus for him/herself.

    It’s all just silly.

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    Ballplay Indian

    To think the NCAA would not, or should not investigate this type of transgression is assenine. Its what they do. And Alabama athletes broke the rules, and played sports. They made money at the Universitys expense ….Of course they should have been pinched. And yall really got off kinda easy. It could have been much , much worse.

    You pusses need to shut up and take your medicine.

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    Oh, come on bammers. You say it’s not cheating as long as there is no enticement to play for Bama or give them an advantage “on the field”? Well, I guess it wasn’t cheating when AU paid Eric Ramsey $300 during his senior year to feed his hungry kid, huh?? By that rationale, it’s perfectly fine to pay players as long as its done after they sign their LOI.

    It’s cheating when players receive money or other things of value outside the parameters allowed by the rules. Players scamming an extra 3 grand worth of text books is a blatant violation, and it’s especially bad when a school with Bama’s recent history has a Compliance Dept. that’s so inept that it misses a problem that had been going on for years. But hey, it was tough to discover. Afterall, it took a kid making 6 bucks an hr in the university bookstore to finally unravel the great mystery. I’d say the “failure to monitor” tag was pretty accurate.

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    Ballplay Indian

    Julio…..Anyone with any amount of common sense knows this. Thats why these morons dont get it.

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    Ballplay, this is also the part where we are supposed to believe that those players never sold those textbooks for cash. Afterall, the players said they didn’t, and the NCAA couldn’t find any handwritten receipts that the players gave out, and the NCAA has no power to compel follow-up answers from the “friends” thay the players “gave” the books to, so it must be true…right??? I’m sure all the bammers would give AU the same benefit of the doubt under the exact same circumstances.

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    Ballplay Indian

    And Egg……What planer have you been living on ? They most certainly proved their case.

    Bottom line…..Those 21 wins are no longer…..How do you like them apples ?

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    You’re all born again shitpods. They didn’t prove shit as far as an actual violation. There was absolutely no competitive advantage gained. It was not proven there was more than the NZAA maximum allowed $100 per athlete ever gained by anyone. It’s a checkout system you fucking idiots! It’s no different than the library. Libraries also have checkout limits you idiots. Ever checked out more than the limit? I have. It didn’t matter if a football player checked out $4000 of books. If he didn’t return them then he had to pay back $4000! And you can’t sell for a profit to a student who can go to the bookstore and buy it at the same price as you. What part of no possible profit do you fucking retards not understand? Bama should fight it in civil court like they did when they won the Jelks case and forced the Nazis to remove their fucking sanctions. To you fucking Barners – they couldn’t give us enough sanctions for your asses to ever catch us! Screw you! RTR!

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    EG, you’re brick wall stupid. A “checkout” system?? That’s rich. Just because books can be returned doesn’t make it like a library. You’ll notice that UA said the books were returned OR charged to the players accounts, for which the players made restitution. See, the problem is that the players didn’t make “restitution” for unreturned books until after they got busted. (Which raises a second question, and that is how does a poor college student with no job suddenly pay back restitution? I guess the same way that Julio Jones and Mark Ingram suddenly found a way to pay for their fishing trip.) And your final argument that “you can’t sell for a profit to a student who can go to the bookstore and buy it at the same price as you” really takes the prize. See, the players get the books for free. They don’t have to buy them. They can then sell them at half price and make a “profit”.

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    Actually Julio, the players were required to make restitution if the books were not returned at the end of every semester, per the University’s textbook policy. If they did not return them, the amount was charged to the student’s receivable’s account per University policy.

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    Ballplay Indian

    I was under the idea that the players were issued two sets of books through a loophole in the system that some of the players found. They sold one set amd kept the other for class. It wasnt limited to the football team only. Nor to UA only.

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    Cappy, I stand corrected on that point. The issue doesn’t really change, though. What’s to stop a player from grabbing a book that costs $100, “renting” it to a “friend” for $50 for the semester, and then the book is returned to the bookstore at the end of the semester at no charge to the player. The player makes off with $50 on that one book. That’s the bigger problem.

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    I don’t disagree that is a potential outcome. The NCAA Committee on Infractions said there was no evidence of such a violation, but that is precisely why the rules exist—to prevent this type of reckless oversight.

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    Ballplay Indian

    What about the Collind kid from Gdsden City commiting to yall ? Any opinions from the dark side on him ?

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    That’s exactly right cap. The NZAA themselves said there was no evidence of players making a profit. To wit where is the violation that merits fucking up a record that has been over a hundred years in the making. You morons think I have crimson colored glasses 2 feet thick. But I’ll tell you right now, I just want to see hard cold evidence of punishable wrongdoing, not oversight that creates nothing more than an internal problem; and then I’ll be the first to jump on the guilty parties asses, Alabama or not. You just watch the hand slap fucking USC is going to get and then compare it to this bullshit! RTR.

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    Ballplay Indian

    Cap. The students admitted to doing what the NCAA said they did. They profited off of the Univerisys materials. How is this not clear as crystal to retards like Egg ? Crimson goggles. Thats what.

    Instead of being thankful for not getting the “lack of institutional control” ruling. They are pissed for not getting the “failure to monitor” ruling. Its insane. THe lack of institutional control was considered because of yalls HISTORY of undoubted and proven violations. Hey, if you dont like this ruling, then be pissed at the other 4 that were ironclad.

    What are the differences in the two rulings ? Vacated wins that everyone knows you won on the field ???? OOOHHHHHH ……..

    Or, scholly cuts, no bowls for a couple of years….Last years National championship would have been for cothing. Imagine that…….

    Yes, cap was right. Yall should be groveling at the feet of the “evil” NCAA …

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    EG, you’re apparently too simple minded to grasp the concept of a “thing of value”. You seem to think cash in hand is the only thing that falls under this category. Using books that are worth thousands of dollars, even if they are returned at the end of the semester, is a thing of value. It’s kinda like getting a hotel room. Just because you turn the freakin’ room key back over the next morning doesn’t mean your use of the room wasn’t a “thing of value”. Where did you come up with this crazy idea that the NCAA must prove a “profit”, defined as cash in hand, to show a violation? I guess you think it’s ok to let a player drive around in a booster’s Mercedes while he’s at Bama as long as he “gives it back” at the end of his eligibility.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    Buttplay, if I’m not mistaken you once said you own your own business. What business is it? A mini distillery in your basement? Cause there’s no way you or any other of those Barner tards could possibly have a legal successful business and not understand the english language any better than a 3 year old. Where in the fuck do you people come up with this shit? The players admited to grabbing extra books. They did not admit to profiting from them. The NZAA specifically said there was no evidence that anybody profited, dumbass. What part of that do you not understand? So no athletic or recruiting advantage, no profit, therefore no violation! It was an Alabama internal problem, not in the NZAA’s jurisdiction. Therefore any penalty whatsoever is unwarranted and excessive! As for content with the ruling. Fuck you! You go kiss their asses for looking the other way because Aubarn is a snitch school. And when they finally bust you again you can come back over here all happy and tell us how fair they are. RTR.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    And Julietta The Hillbilly Whore, nobody here cares about your fucking opinion or your interpretation of what constitutes profit! Read the fucking COI report. They said there was no profiting. That means what? NO PROFITING! That would include any goddamn interpretation you come up with, moron! And without an NZAA accusation of athletic advantage or profiting, there are no legal grounds for penalties. They are stretching the shit out of it to accuse us of failure to monitor and therefore repeat violator status. You see we are a law school, not an animal husbandry whore house. Oh that’s right, you fuckers can’t read can you. That explains it! RTR!

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    Ballplay Indian

    UA failed to monitor a loophole in the system you dork.

    Are you going to deny this ? Yes, you are.

    A minimum wage clerk at the bookstore is now Sherlock Homes I suppose ? Come on man……Your not that dumb are you ?

    Yeah, your that dumb.

    Dont even get me started on the way this relates to taxpayer waste.

    The NCAA does not have an axe to grind with Alabama.

    They just expect you cheating thugs to do what you have always done…….CHEAT ! ! ! You have a proven record of that, LATELY , not two and a half decades ago like we had.

    You know smoke = fire……

    There is no documented profit because its not like these clowns wrote each other reciepts and filed it on their freakin taxes. All the NCAA had to work with was word of mouth.

    This is a new type of violation that had not been dealt with before. UA always finds ways to break ground in the cheating dept. Therefore the light slap on the wrist.

    The entire athletic program at UA did this. There were dozens of student athletes involved.

    If you think these kids didnt chirp like canaries, your sadly mistaken.

    The NCAA knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that there was clearly wrongdoing in this matter.

    Ray Charles could see that.

    But you cant ? Of course you cant. Why ? You have your head in the sand concerning all things Alabama.

    I can honostly say that if the shoe was on the other foot, I would be thankful.

    I can also say that I have not got my head in the sand concerning AU. Research my posts about Eric Smith. If the kid assaulted this other kid…..Kick him off the team. We dont need that kind of player.

    Look back at some of the post concerning your “Legacy” crew…..Its sickening.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    Once again, nobody over here gives a continental damn about a Barner opinion. So stick it up your ass! The big question I have is, was there an Auburn conspiracy to get 3 of our stars kicked off the team and Alabama accused of a repeat violation. The fucker that gave Jerrell a laptop and took Julio and Mark fishing, is a fucking Auburn booster. And deny that or not, he certainly was in no way tied to the University of Alabama. I don’t even care about the laptop part, but I think this is still a free country, although the NZAA treats the member institutions like they are in a Nazi concentration camp. Being that the man is not associated with Alabama and is in fact an alleged Auburn booster, then Julio and Mark had every human, legal and constitutional right to accept a fishing invitation. And the Nazis had no right to penalize them or force reimbusement of any money. An athletic scholly is not a blood contract of indentured servitude! The Nazis should be sent to prison for their own criminal violations. RTR!

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    And once again, EG totally misses the point. I never denied that the NCAA said there was no evidence of a monetary profit. What I asked you is where did you get this crazy freakin’ idea that the NCAA has to show that a kid received a “profit” in order for there to be a violation?? If a kid receives any type of benefit that is outside the parameters allowed by the rules (i.e textbooks and fishing trips) then it’s a violation.

    Per NCAA Bylaw 16.02.3, “an extra benefit is any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a representative of the institution’s athletics interests to provide a student-athlete or the student-athlete’s relative or friend a benefit not expressly authorized by NCAA legislation.” Gee, I missed the word “profit” in that rule, EG. I also missed the NCAA legislation that expressly authorized players to hand out thousands of dollars worth of free textbooks to their friends. Apparently, the NCAA missed it too which explains whey Bama got popped.

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    Ballplay Indian

    Thanks for proving what goggle wearin bammer you are with that last tyrade.

    You need help. Like Seinfeld said “On the collegiate level, not just your run of the mill shrink”……

    The “real” issue is wether or not it was an AU conspiricy ? Yeaaahhhhh……Riiiiiiiiiighhhhtttt….

    Appearantly the NCAA didnt think that was the “real” issue.

    Eggy. You wonder why we think you are a bona-fide goggle wearin bammer ? The words you so elequantly penned above explain it all.

    I was thinking of trying to explain the story with the “fishin trip”….But why bother ? It pointless.

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    Ballplay Indian

    And I dont disagree with you about the NCAA being too intrusive.

    But the reason they are is because of the innovative ways that schools like UA have found to cheat or gain an edge. You only have yourselves to blame.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    You morons just explained away your own arguements in our favor. Per the bylaw: 1. an administative employee intentionally providing special benifits. – It was an administrative oversight you idiots. There was no intention by the employee, and the COI said as much. In fact the fucking employee reported the error when they realized what was happening. 2. benefits or gifts provided to an athlete, his family, or friends by a booster or person with the institutions athletic interests at hand. – Please explain how a fucking Auburn booster and or known lifelong Auburn follower had Alabama athletic interests at heart when he took our stars on a fishing trip or gave away a laptop? Those orange glasses you’ve got on look more like shit brown to me! RTR!

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    Ballplay Indian

    Are you brain dead ? the reason they were punished is because they knoew they were doing something they shouldnt be. Dont tell me they didnt know that they were doing something wrong. You know they did.

    What about accountability ? Its alright when its you , but not if it were someone else ?

    You stink at presenting your case on this.

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    EG, you realy need to just shut up. You’re just making yourself look pathetic. What happened to your entire “violations require proof of a profit” argument?? Did you just hope you could change your argument and that we wouldn’t notice that you were just proven to be the idiot that you are??

    Now you’re saying that when a player scams an illegal benefit there’s no violation as long as the Compliance Dept. and the poor schmuck in the bookstore are too stupid to be aware of it, because then it’s not “intentional” on the part of the employee or the university. That has got to be the most brick wall stupid thing you have ever said on this site (and that, my friend, is a bold statement.)

    P.S. Much like your fabrication from whole cloth that a violation requires proof of a “profit”, please direct me to the portion of the cited bylaw where the word “intentional” is used.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    No you inbred motherfucker, you’re the son of a bitch that brought up that argument in your previous post by quoting the bylaw and giving your interpretation of it. I was just rolling it back on you to show how stupid you are. Don’t bring your goat bred ass over here and try to use animal husbandry intellect to interpret NZAA bylaws against Alabama to someone with some legal education. Tell you what asshole, lets present the whole fucking case as currently finalized by the Nazis to a regular court and see who would win. I’ll tell you right now, the NZAA case would be thrown out! And don’t tell me to shut up on a Bama board Barner Bitch! This is my final post on this subject. Your utter ignorance is tiring. Got 13 and counting. How many do you have? Haw haw haw! RTR!

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    Boy EG, you really put me in place with that tirade. I especially love how you trumpet your refined education, all the while cursing like a drunken hobo afflicted with Turrets Syndrome. You really should get your medication adjusted.

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    Crimsonite from the planet Crimson in a galaxy far far away. FormerlyE.G. White

    Ok. Said my piece. Held up Bama’s honor. Never said I was honorable. Don’t give a damn in that respect. I’m fire and gasoline. Peace! RTR!

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