Michigan fans cannot think logically, but you knew that already! Screwing innocent student-athletes out of their scholarships is wrong. It is wrong! These innocent scholars signed with Michigan under the impression they would get a shot at four years of higher education at one of the finest universities in the world. What they got in return was a dictator coach who wants to run them off for not living up to his standards. Here is what Rich Rodriguez said, â€œStay tuned. Thereâ€™s a couple guys Iâ€™m going to sit with here. Just guys that maybe if theyâ€™re not doing all their responsibilities and doing what they need to do to be part of our football program may not be back. I hope thatâ€™s not too many.â€
How many of these scholars will have their scholarships yanked by this dictator? Yet, this arbitrary and capricious action seems acceptable to the Michigan fans who posted here.
Tim wrote in the comments section: â€œUh, Michigan is well under scholarship limits for 2009. These situations are not even related, much less the same. What in the f*** are you talking about?â€
It is not about the scholarship limits. It is about the treatment of student-athletes. Scholarship limits are irrelevant, but how you treat people is very relevant. In Mr. Cookâ€™s own words: â€œThe point is not that violating the NCAA’s made-up limit is evil. The NCAA limit is there because the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing team…â€
Amen. Stop treating players like commodities and realize these players only want a good education.
Paul wrote in the comments section: â€œThe biggest difference in the two situations is that at Alabama, the actions of the coaching staff made it necessary that a certain amount of attrition had to happen while at Michigan, the attrition is due to the actions of the players.â€
Read the words of your dictator coach closely. â€ Just guys that maybe if theyâ€™re not doing all their responsibilities and doing what they need to do to be part of our football program may not be back.â€ The attrition sure looks like the whim of your coach. When Alabama’s Nick Saban gets rid of players, you impute evil motives. When Rich Rodriguez does it, you assert the players deserved it. Either way, â€œsomeone gets it right in the ass.â€ Several people if you take your coach at his word. Again, read Mr. Cookâ€™s words closely. This isnâ€™t about the NCAA limit, but about how you treat players. The NCAA doesn’t want you kicking players off the teamâ€”at least according to Mr. Cook.
Stop exploiting these scholars and let them finish their education!
Holy shit, you inbred, pig-fucking hick. How can you possibly say “It is not about the scholarship limits. It is about the treatment of student-athletes. Scholarship limits are irrelevant”????
SCHOLARSHIPS ARE PRECISELY WHAT BRIAN’S POST WERE ABOUT.
You’re saying “Ignore what he wrote about, here’s this othet thing.”
Such slight of hand may work when writing for an audience made up of a glorified Ag school, but come on, Jethro.
Did you not read Mr. Cook’s quote? He said this, “â€œThe point is not that violating the NCAAâ€™s made-up limit is evil. The NCAA limit is there because the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing teamâ€¦â€
The NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing team. 🙂
Brian’s argument was that oversigning is wrong, not that it is always wrong to kick a player off the team. He was also right when he said Alabama fans cannot think logically, as shown by your inability to grasp the point of his writing.
His point was that screwing student-athletes was wrong, and that over-signing was screwing student-athletes. Over-signing wouldn’t be wrong if it didn’t hurt student-athletes.
Do you see that his point isn’t scholarship limits, but the ultimate pain inflicted on these innocent students?
No, no, no. His point is that oversigning to the point that YOU NEED TO KICK PEOPLE OFF THE TEAM (or have kids get get caught dealing drugs, or whatever is wrong). Not that kicking a kid off the team, in any situation, is wrong.
You fail basic reading comprehension.
I can’t say I’ve had much experience with Alabama fans, but I really hope they are more adept at reading comprehension and logic than you seem to be from this post.
I understand that your pride was hurt when Brian examined Saban’s recruiting practices. You were angry. You wanted retribution. You wanted to take the first opportunity you could to make the point that “It’s okay us to do it. UM does it, too. Brian is a hypocrite!” That much is clear from your post. Unfortunately, you will have to wait a little longer for that opportunity.
You see, wile_e8 and chitownblue are right. Brianâ€™s post was about scholarship limits, oversigning players, and how that affects the treatment of players. Letâ€™s take a look at the paragraph that you are quoting from:
â€œThe fucking point is that f***ing Alabama is going to kick kids off the f***ing team for no f***ing reason. The point is not that violating the NCAA’s made-up limit is evil. The NCAA limit is there because the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing team, but for various reasons the rule’s pretty easy to skate around. The issue is not 32 > 25. The issue is that 70 + 32 > 85.â€
You see, the point has to do with scholarship limits, and whether thereâ€™s room for all of the kids. Now, I know itâ€™s fun to take sentences out of context. It just makes your point that much easier to make. I understand the temptation. That doesnâ€™t make it correct. In fact, EVEN THE SENTENCE YOU QUOTED TALKS ABOUT SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS AND WHY IT’S THERE. That sentence, the above paragraph and Brianâ€™s post are all about scholarship limits and the treatment of kids as a result of pushing those limits. What part of that are you not getting?
Letâ€™s also take a look at this paragraph in the same post:
â€œThough all scholarships are technically one-year commitments, in practice players are guaranteed four years as long as they remain eligible and keep their noses clean. There is one legitimate way to remove a kid from your team without some sort of malfeasance on his part: fourth-year juniors are commonly not offered a fifth year unless they are contributors.â€
You quoted Rodriguez as saying:
â€œStay tuned. Thereâ€™s a couple guys Iâ€™m going to sit with here. Just guys that maybe if theyâ€™re not doing all their responsibilities and doing what they need to do to be part of our football program may not be back. I hope thatâ€™s not too many.â€
Letâ€™s look at that. Brianâ€™s post talks about guaranteeing four years to a player, subject to conditions (keeping their noses clean, avoiding wrongdoings, remaining eligible, and fifth year seniors). So we have Grady, whose status is yet to be determined, but who most certainly did not keep his nose clean. We also have a couple of unidentified players, who could very well be fifth year seniors, but we donâ€™t know enough about them, so weâ€™ll have to wait and see. What we do know is that they may not be living up to their responsibilities and doing what is required of them to be part of the program. In other words, they may not be doing what is necessary to remain eligible, or they may not be keeping their noses clean. Those are certainly justifications for removing them from the team. But most importantly (and I really want to impress this upon you), this situation is irrelevant to Brianâ€™s post because HIS POST WAS ABOUT SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS, WHICH IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH UM AT THIS TIME.
Do ya get it? Or am I simply yelling into a void?
Brian wrote this: â€œThe point is not that violating the NCAAâ€™s made-up limit is evil. The NCAA limit is there because the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing teamâ€¦â€
In other words, the NCAA would like you to NOT kick kids off the team.
Now, think about this for a minute. Firing a gun isn’t a good or bad act. Firing a gun at someone is bad.
Screwing kids is the problem. He was writing about how yanking a scholarship to make room for new players was wrong. Why was it wrong? It screws players. See the general principle at work here? I’ll quote Brian again for you: “the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the f***ing teamâ€¦â€
Come on guys, you need to actually get to the heart of the issue here. Stop choking on the example, and get to the key principle.
BTW, you say we don’t know how many players, etc. That didn’t stop Brian last year from assuming “someone gets it right in the ass.â€ Why should it stop us now? Someone is getting screwed and it is up to us on the Internet to be their advocate!
If you can’t see the difference between getting rid of a player because he was driving so drunk he passed out behind the wheel, was given a second chance, and then failed to meet probation (which, by the way, he isn’t off the team *yet*) and getting rid of a player because you need to make room for a freshman you think might contribute more, you really need help. But I suppose that isn’t going to stop you from continuing an argument you failed to understand a year ago.
I guess the answer to the two questions at the end of my post were: 1) No, and 2) Yes.
I’m not really trying to convince you. You’ve obviously made up your mind well before you even thought about the issue. It explains why you can’t even utilize a single sentence to make your point without taking one of its clauses out context. The more you go on about this, the more you look foolish.
I’m not taking things out of context. You guys can’t seem to get past scholarships.
Scholarship limits are neturalâ€”neither good nor bad. What makes over-signing bad is screwing people. Right?
All we know is that Rodriguez may or may not kick off lots of people. We don’t know why, other than they aren’t meeting his standards.
I’m offended by this. Someone needs to stand up for these scholar-athletes. If nobody else will, then I will do it!
“the NCAA would not like you to kick players off the f***ing team”
They also expect you to maintain basic institutional control, which means punishing players in house for legal troubles, violating NCAA rules. The one guy who is likely to be dismissed is also likely to go to jail. I don’t get what you’re saying.
Every team has attrition (SEC teams at higher rates than the Big10 for the record). It’s the motives behind the attrition that cross the line.
I provided a link, but apparently you didn’t click it.
To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Propostion: Nick Saban has taken the concept of oversigning and stretched it unto its breaking point. This is a nasty, filthy practice only undertaken by a program that couldn’t really give a crap about the idea of a mutual commitment between player and school.
Superficially similar proposition: Screwing innocent student-athletes out of their scholarships is wrong. (Never mind that Grady isn’t exactly innocent)
Congratulations, you have pointed out that Rich Rod will probably get rid of a player after multiple run-ins with the law. If that was ever Brian’s point, you might have something here.
BONUS: These innocent scholars signed with Michigan under the impression they would get a shot at four years of higher education at one of the finest universities in the world.
You do realize that Grady is a fifth-year senior, right? As in, you know he has already had four years of higher education at one of the finest universities in the world, right?
You don’t get the point I’m not talking about one player. I’m talking about the COUPLE of players. We don’t know how many! We don’t know the standards!
That is just wrong. Just wrong.
I’m not refuting Brian’s argument. I am embracing itâ€”and taking it to its logical conclusion that we must protect these students.
Your motive for your comments is transparent. Do you think you are fooling anyone?
I’m not trying to fool anyone. I’m just trying to make sure these scholars get a fair chance at getting their education.
They deserve that much.
But you can’t get around the fact that the only action that has been taken was…nothing. That’s right. Rodriguez has not done anything other than issue a quote.
An obvious potential target is a 5th year senior who drove obscenely drunk, then violated every single part of his probation.
There have been poorly concealed rumors of a handful of players failing badly enough academically that they were in danger of failing to maintain academic eligibility. The NCAA may not “like you to kick players off the fucking team”, but they also don’t like scholarship players failing in school, hence the APR. Is it reasonable to assume that he may be speaking of one, some, or all of these? Possibly. Again – he has not done anything.
What’s happened? Our returning starting QB quit, leaving us with 3 scholarship QB’s, two of which are true freshman, and the other is Nick Sheridan – the worst QB in college last year. Do you think Rodriguez did that intentionally? Carson Butler left early after threatening a coach to a fist fight (the latest in a long line of transgressions). Wermers was recruiting by the previous regime, and quit the team – he wasn’t pushed out, and nothing was “taken” from him. He quit.
So again, Rodriguez has DONE NOTHING.
You know I agree with you UM guys that Cappy’s beating a dead horse. Can’t for the life of me understand why he wants to bend everything around like a circus mirror. I understand his point – I just think it’s stupid. Especially since his opinion of releasing players under either situation goes against his own university’s policy – and he knows damn well CNS is the best business mind in college football and knows exactly what he’s doing. I also understand your points – unfortunately in reference to how Bama and CNS work the scholly’s, you don’t know shit. Your ideas and opinions are predjudice, short sighted, ignorant, lacking in even the tinyest bit of business management and frankly just plain wrong. I’m damn sure not gonna type a 1000 word essay to educate you on the modern methods of running a $100,000,000 athletic program. It’s not just a game anymore morons. The athletes are caught in the middle of big business and if they can’t cut it they need to go. They don’t have any business costing the University $100,000+ for a scholly when they can’t produce! That being said. At Bama any 3* athlete that hurries and commits early because he feels lucky even to be accepted, knows damn well what the possibilities are later because most of the blue chippers wait until signing day and they understand that Bama’s gonna sign everone that they can. CNS even warns them of the situation. Now the truth is that he has not released one single athlete unjustly, and as much as he loves kids, I don’t think he ever would. Unlike your coach and most other college coaches around the country CNS is a professional businessman who knows what he’s doing. So the other truth is that we don’t give a shit what you think! And on a final note in reference to your stereotypical bullshit remarks about Southern intelligence relative to you Midwestern yahoos. The University of Alabama has one of the nations better schools of law and has the nations #1 school of neuro surgery and research. I dare say UM would be damn hard pressed to match that! I myself am a member of the mensas society, so when you yahoos want to match wits with a redneck – I suggest you go elsewhere. LMFAO at you! ROLL DAMN TIDE ROLL!
You donâ€™t get the point Iâ€™m not talking about one player. Iâ€™m talking about the COUPLE of players. We donâ€™t know how many! We donâ€™t know the standards!
Congratulations, you have pointed out that Rich Rod might get rid of players for reasons we don’t know. If that had anything to do with Brian’s point that oversigning forces coaches to get rid of players, you might be on to something here.
This is insane…….First , Bama dooshbags calling Auburn fans insane. Now they are pointing the finger at Michigan, saying “They are insane”……Please. Nick Saban may not blatently oversign, but he does run players out of town instead of trying to change thier behavior. See Prince Hall. See the other Linebacker. See about a dozen other players that Bama has signed since Saban has been there.
Cook was talking out his ass last year and didn’t know what was going on. He assumed, incorrectly, that players would just be booted off the team for arbitrary and capricious reasons.
That turned out to be false. As one Michigan fan pointed out, attrition happens.
Cook was full of shit because he doesn’t care about the treatment of student-athletes. He just cared about crying about over-signing since the Big 10 doesn’t do it. He pretended it was about the studentsâ€”it wasn’t. Kind of like you guys admit; it was NEVER about the kids. 🙂
Ballplay, Saban was merciful to Prince Hall. He was suspended three times at Alabama, and missed the last two spring practices. If anything, Saban likely allowed Hall too many chances.
Finally I agree with cappy. There’s no doubt that Hall was given every opportunity to conform. Christ, he was the star of the defense his first year. The linebackers and secondary have been and still are depth problems for us. You don’t think CNS would have loved to have Hall performing at star level. You think he wanted to lose what Hall accomplished in his first year? Are you crazy? Hall was known to have serious problems with homesickness. That coupled with losing his starting position no doubt affected his attitude. But who’s fault was it he lost that position? Don’t pull bullshit like Hall out of the hat to try to justify some dumbass argument about over-signing at Alabama, which is none of Auburn’s or Michigan’s busniess anyway! You people need to clean your own houses! RTR!
I think the most interesting thing here–aside from the fact that Alabama fans are defending an argument based upon a delusion misunderstanding–is that ‘Bama fans have no beef with the fact that they are referred to as “inbred pig-fucking hicks.” Can’t argue with the facts.
I’m an Alabama fan, and sorry to say, I have to agree with the Michigan fans that these situations are entirely different. There are grounds to defend Saban against claims that his recruiting is unethical (and E. G. White touched on some of them above), but you’re trying to draw an equivalence that doesn’t exist. Every team will have a kid with discipline or grade issues every now and then, and dismissing that kid doesn’t necessarily constitute a breach of the coach’s responsibility toward his players (especially when, as in Grady’s case, the kid has already been given a second chance). Valid or not, Brian’s argument was that Saban signed more players than he had scholarships and cherry-picked away the ones he didn’t want later on. Now Rodriguez is a piece of shit, but this particular criticism doesn’t stick because there’s no indication that his motives might actually stem from a need to make room on the roster.
Cap, I love ya but you need to stop embarrassing us on this. And you Michigan fucks who can’t think of an original insult: if the shape your state is in is in is any indication of Midwestern intelligence, then you guys must be splittin’ atoms up there. Us Southern simpletons should all just pack up and move to Michigan so we can live in the beacon of civilization y’all have built up there, where the biggest city’s standard of living rivals that of Bangladesh. ROLL TIDE.
Are all Michigan fans as stupid as the ones who troll here? Cook is a hypocrite after what he said last year. Quit defending this goob, it only makes you all look as stupid as he does.
Who gives a crap. It’s only Michigan after all. Thank GOD Rich did not come to Alabama.
This argument is idiotic. It’s a total comparison of apples to oranges.
One is a kid potentially(!) getting the boot after failing to abide by the law on a number of occasions, on a team that has not reached the cap on commitments. ‘Bama went way over, and was, from a football stance and absolutely not by any sense of human decency) lucky to have players get involved with the law. Thanks to that bit of luck, players did not have to be actively shoved out the door, but there were plenty of shenanigans involving medical redshirts plenty of other creativity.
The central argument here isn’t dismissals per se, it’s recruiting in a manner that is _predicated_ upon the failure and arrest of it’s student athletes. Saban needs to understand that attrition is something coaches deal with. You cannot just get a bunch of signed LOIs and wait for students to either sell cocaine or be informed by the coaching staff that, due to this super-awesome freshman we just had to have, you will not have any playing time. They should transfer and best of luck, because there’s no scholarship for you at the University of Alabama.
That’s what’s inappropriate, and it has nothing to do with losing a 5th-year senior who has, allegedly, exhausted his chances to play for the team. If Grady is shown the door, it has nothing to do with Michigan wanting to free up his scholarship (which isn’t even freed up, seeing as how it was his last year of eligibility) for an uber-frosh, and everything with Grady’s inability to follow the rules of conduct for the team and society. There is no merit to the parallels you’re trying to draw.
I don’t appreciate any of the assumptions you make in your post.
“The central argument here isnâ€™t dismissals per se, itâ€™s recruiting in a manner that is _predicated_ upon the failure and arrest of itâ€™s student athletes. Saban needs to understand that attrition is something coaches deal with. You cannot just get a bunch of signed LOIs and wait for students to either sell cocaine or be informed by the coaching staff that, due to this super-awesome freshman we just had to have, you will not have any playing time. They should transfer and best of luck, because thereâ€™s no scholarship for you at the University of Alabama.”
Your scenario did not happen to one kid. Any other hypothesis you care to posit?
It’s also very funny to me that any anonymous internet blog poster would begin a sentence with “Saban needs to understand…” If you seriously think you have information regarding the game of college football in any capacity that Nick Saban doesn’t fully grasp, then you have indicted your clueless arrogance far beyond what any other person could do.
The underlying point is that Michigan football is such a joke that Michigan fans have to come up with some way of feeling superior to other programs to hide their underlying insecurity and knowledge of their inferior position . All that is written on Mgoblog and all the above is just proof of the same.
3rdandshort………..Michigan football is not nearly as far dow the cellar as Alabama has just been. If you even think about refuting this, then you are on crack. They beat Florida two years ago, even though Florida was in a transitional year (you “Florida is only good because of Tebow” people remember that?). Rich Rod is a recruiter and a excellent coach. If you all think that they wont be back soon then you are the ones that are unreasonable. When they get Richs system in place they will own the Big 10.
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Don’t know why the hell you think you have to defend Michigan Ballplay. But next year when Cheeze Dip has time to do a proper recruiting season and he ‘oversigns’, I don’t wanna hear shit out of you!
Im not defending Michigan. They do have cool helmets.
Michigan has a overall win record that even Alabama cant touch. Plus, the cool helmets. But if you get to the heart of the arguement, it all started with a Michigan blogger talking about BAMA oversigning. So YES Saban does oversign, and runs lesser talented kids out of town on a rail.
For wich one ? Look at the above titles. I believe there are three now. Particularly the one titled “Where is the outrage at MGoBlog” or whatever. Also the ohter two.
As for the NCAA stats, google NCAA Fottball stats .
“And on a final note in reference to your stereotypical bullshit remarks about Southern intelligence relative to you Midwestern yahoos. The University of Alabama has one of the nations better schools of law and has the nations #1 school of neuro surgery and research. I dare say UM would be damn hard pressed to match that! I myself am a member of the mensas society, so when you yahoos want to match wits with a redneck – I suggest you go elsewhere.”
Alabama is currently ranked 30th in law, while Michigan is 9th. Let us presume you are talking about Medical research in regards to your other point. Michigan is ranked 11th in Medical Research Graduate schools. UAB has a ranked medical school…but it’s still 29th.
I’ll also presume you meant MENSA.
See, us “Yankees” don’t just presume you Alabama folk are morons. We use the evidence you give us. Morons.
I repeat what I said about Michigan’s since of inferiority and for you auburn is a joke when you lose that many times to your chief rival you are an inferior program. When auburn was beating Bama 6 times in a row you certainly made statements to the same. Also if you are that good you don’t feel the need to defend yourself that vigorously. Something about michigan these days that brings out the feelings of inferiority.
May 21st, 2009 at 5:46 pm
“moron”. You have got to be joking.
The definition of “hillbilly” is Michigan hill farmer, BTW.
I have 2 questions.
1. Since when did anyone from Michigan know anything?
Yeah, sure you THINK you know everything but if you did, half the state (of Michigan) wouldnt be a world class shithole like Detroit.
2. What does it feel like to be Ohio State’s tune-up game on the way to thier Bowl appearance?
Yeah…. exactly…now go shut up and sit down. Better still, go home and take your half baked assumptions and dwarf-sized intellects with you. The sheer pretentiosness you wear (like a $5.99 designer imposter cologne) is making this blog stink with unqualified arrogance. And world class ignorance.
I should have expected no better from anyone who would read Cook’s blog.
I would print it out to wipe my ass on it, but it isnt even useful for that.
Ballplay, I’ve answerd your post already in another topic. However, once again – Michigan has more wins than us because they’ve been playing football longer. That’s their one claim to fame. We have more undefeated seasons, more 10 win seasons, more bowl games, more bowl wins, more top ten finishes and far more national championships even if you only count the consensus ones. So who the fuck is Michigan? We came in second in the nation behind Fla. St. for best helmet! And don’t even start that stupid shit with me and make yourself look like a fool – CNS never has and never will run a player out of town on a rail because he was, is less talented than someone he needed, needs. How fucking stupid! Blue, so shoot me for a fucking typo. MENSA! I never said the best law school idiot. We aren’t Ivy League, and neither is UM! I didn’t say medical research in general. I said school of neuro medicine. We are #1 and nobody else is even close. In fact the state mental facility is located on campus and all you Michigan yahoos are invited down for a tour. We have an inexhaustable supply of thorazine waiting just for you asshole pig farmers! One other thing – don’t know what the current status is, but a few years back the UAB medical center was ranked #3 behind Boston General and The Mayo Clinic. So fuck you. RTR!
Holy crap egg…..You are wound tight as a chinese wristwatch. What is your fascination with Thorazine ? Are you on it ? Looks like you are on meth. Chill out brother.
Chill out? I’ve been sittin on this forum for 5 days looking at 130 posts on 3 topics concerning over signing. I’ve been very cordial to those ignorant pig farmers in spite of their – to put it politely ‘rudeness’ – and it’s worse than talking to a brick wall. Finally I’m fed up. They’re now gonna see the other side of me. You remember, don’t you? Check out post #63 on the original MGoBlog in the general archives. Damn, I wish it hadn’t been pushed off the front page this morning!
Spend one night in Michigan and you’ll realize it’s the “Mississippi of the north”. You can’t fault them for their flaws.
Haha. That is your insult? Michigan is the third best public institution for undergraduate education. Alabama is hoping they can stay accredited and keep their ranking higher than most community colleges.
Your second insult would be only slightly more stinging if Michigan didn’t hold the all time record. I agree that Michigan is down. Alabama was recently down, however, now even they can get blown out of their bowl games by teams from the Mountain West. Oh, yes, that is right. You lost to a Mountain West school by two touchdowns. What’s that you say? Michigan lost as well? That is correct. By 2 points.
As for the rest of your uninformed drivel, well, suffice to say I won’t be back on this blog. Neither will anyone else. Because it is an Alabama blog and frankly, if anyone wants to know about the SEC, there are around 40 better blogs than this one. Just re-posting links from other sites isn’t a particularly impressive way of writing. But what should I expect from Alabama’s education system.
Which leads me to E.G. Jesus you are stupid. Michigan is currently ranked ahead of Ivy League schools for law while Alabama is ranked just ahead of UC fucking Davis. But there is absolutely no way Michigan could touch that, right?
As for your other “ranking,” show me the link. It is evident you have some connection to the medical field and have some sensitivity to Alabama taking its rightly deserved academic reputation, so the impetus is on you to show me the truth.
All the same, go fuck yourself you dumb inbred, racist, republican douche.
The funny thing is about all of this is that I went to the University of Alabama and most of the students there are a waste of their fathers’ sperm. Who cares about anything that any of them say? Their program is a bunch of hillbilly liars. No wonder they wanted a sack of fecal matter like saban for their coach. The entire program boasts about having 12 championships in football when in fact, they have 7. Idiots can’t count. Check the TRUE history. Example…1941, they claim a “national championship” and they actually finished 20th in the final polls. How stupid can you be? They are just jealous of Michigan and USC’s TRUE 11 National Champioships.