Comments on: Shane: The Saban Effect

By: The BAMMER from St. Clair

The BAMMER from St. Clair — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:28:16 +0000

YO! Coach Bryant & Coach Jordan did have respect for each other. Maybe that was the overriding element. I know that the only time Coach Bryant admitted to cheating was in the recruitment of a player while he was at Texas A&M. At that time (the 1950′s) everybody in the old Southwest Conference were paying players. Coach Bryant said that he was only “doing what everybody else was doing” but some of the other coaches around the league turned him in. That was probably their way of saying “Welcome to our world. Remember A&M’s place.” Their “place” when he arrived was at the cellar of the conference. That changed within a couple of seasons. After the “debacle” with the NCAA he told his staff that if ANY of them got caught cheating, they were FIRED, no questions asked. That was his policy at Alabama, and his staff knew to abide by his rules. BOOSTERS are completely different animals. You can ask them not to do the deed, you can THREATEN them not to, and you can DISTANCE yourself from them, but they won’t listen until the NCAA hammers the school AND THEN they just back off for awhile.

By: bamasux

bamasux — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:44:15 +0000

Good point. One of the mysteries of the powerful. They don’t turn on one another. You know it’s taboo for a President of the US to openly bad mouth a previous administration, no matter how much they disagree with one another. They don’t investigate predecessors indiscretions.
I think it may cause a snowball/domino effect that no one wants. Ask Fulmer.

There’s rules to “this thing of ours.”

By: The BAMMER from St. Clair

The BAMMER from St. Clair — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:23:05 +0000

YO! Hey, “Bamasux” (really, they don’t); I’ll be the first to admit that boosters throw money at players. However, back in the 60′s and most of the 70′s there were no set number of how many scholarships a school could give. The NCAA started limiting scholarships around 1979 or 1980. Sure, Alabama and several other universities around the U.S. would recruit players just to keep them from playing for other teams. They did that as long as there wasn’t A RULE. Auburn would have done the same thing and probably did to a certain extent. ‘Bama just happened to get the creme of the crop. I know your mantra…”There’s a reason for that!” My question is this; if there was any animosity between Coach Bryant and Coach Jordan concerning Auburn being investigated and placed on probation in the mid-70′s, why did they continue to hunt & fish together?

By: bamasux

bamasux — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:10:21 +0000

Good point…..the “Meyer effect” is more plausible than the saban effect. Just more of that bama arrogance….they think the college football world revolves around them.
One of the reasons they are the team I love to hate.

By: Michael Bynum

Michael Bynum — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:50:52 +0000

Yo…
The most powerful coach in college football doesn not reside in Tuscaloosa.
He is currently holding the position of Head Coach of the Florida Gators….
Let’s see…hummmmmm!
2 (count them) TWO National Championships. How many does Saban Have at your school? Of course with your quick rapier wit you will say, “Well, he’s only been there 2 years.” True…but Meyer hasn’t been at Florida that long either and he’s already stamped the SEC with his identity. Face it, the reason you went out and hired Saben was the Meyer effect. You know you’ll never compete with Florida, heck, you can’t even compete with UTAH. Can you say “Meltdown”.
Dude…Gator chomp all the way….

By: bamasux

bamasux — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:47:13 +0000

unless your utah

By: Ty from T-Town

Ty from T-Town — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:13:57 +0000

CAUSE AND EFFECT:
Shane, I am totally reminded about the Coach Killer article back in November. As far as head coaches go, head’s started rolling early in the 2008 season. I am pretty damn sure that it was not a coincidence that Coach Saban was at least a catalyst in some of the head coaching departures.
Perhaps they were unable to match his work ethic, and simply suffered by comparison.
I can asure you this, the fine folks in
T-Town, are not at all displeased by the
2008 season.
The theory of the process has now exposed serious potential.

I think he called it: “The team that no one wants to play.”

By: bamasux

bamasux — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:17:39 +0000

And don’t forget the doling out of unlimited scholarships just so players would come to bama and not go to opposing schools…..half those guys probably sat on the bench for 4 years and lost any chance at playing time and playing at the next level. Really sounds like a coach that “cared about the kids being all they could be” don’t it??
My neighbor’s cousin played for Bear from 76-78. He spoke of the scholarship players and the “scholarship plus” players. New cars, clothes, etc.
Sure, it went on at a lot of colleges, but don’t point fingers at Auburn and Tennessee without first looking in the crimson colored mirror.

By: Un-Named Source

Un-Named Source — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:50:02 +0000

TO: The Bammer for St. Clair that Swallows AU:

I played football at a Jefferson County High School in 1978. The school won the state title that year with a good QB, good RB and a dominating Tight End/Defensive End. The TE/DE committed to Alabama and 3 days later drove a brand new car (Grand Prix I think) to school that his “Dad” bought him. He had a good 4 years at Bama and went on to the NFL for just a couple of years or so.

Now Mr. St. Clair, I have no proof of how or where he got that car but not many people believed it was given to him from his dad….but O.J. Simpson got away with murder too!

The point being…get off your high horse and realize that the Bear, God rest his soul, was probably the most powerful man in college football and could get away with just about anything he needed or wanted to. Just because he wasn’t caught doesn’t mean he wasn’t guilty. To get caught you have to be chased. Wise up fool!

By: The BAMMER from St. Clair

The BAMMER from St. Clair — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:14:55 +0000

YO AGAIN! Hey, “Bamasux” (maybe I should address YOU as “AU Swallows”); WHAT’S ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT “questionable recruiting practices that began at ‘Bama” and those “ill-gotten NC’s of the Bryant Days?” If ANY of you barnies have PROOF that Coach Bryant cheated, WHY WON’T YOU ANTE UP? SHOW US WHAT Y’ALL HAVE BEEN CRYING ABOUT ALL THESE YEARS! “Ill-gotten National Championships?” Well, let’s take a look. 1961…CONSENSUS (AP & UPI) National Champions. 1964…CONSENSUS (AP & UPI) National Champions. 1965…AP National Champions. 1973…UPI National Champions. 1978…AP National Champions. 1979…CONSENSUS (AP & UPI) National Champions. IF THESE CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE “ILL-GOTTEN” as YOU say, I would argue that A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD CONCUR WITH MY CONCLUSION before accepting your totally MADCAP and INCONCLUSIVE NONSENSE! Just learn to live with HISTORY. ROLL TIDE!

By: The BAMMER from St. Clair

The BAMMER from St. Clair — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:26:55 +0000

YO! First of all, SHANE: There was tension up in Knoxville long before Nick Saban came to Tuscaloosa. That goes back to 2001. They were heavily favored to beat LSU in the SEC Championship Game and they simply got beat in the 2nd half by a supposedly “weaker” LSU squad coached by Saban & Company. That’s only where it began; things began heating up for Fulmer in 2005 when they finished 5-6. By this time Saban was at Miami. It was simply Tennessee not living up to all the hype they recieved prior to the 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 & 2005 seasons. There were a couple of those seasons where the MEDIA GURUS picked the Vols to contend for the NC, for cryin’ out loud! When stuff like that happens, it causes the natives to get restless. Fulmer didn’t help things because Tennessee wasn’t getting any better; they were simply predictable because they were doing the same things they had been doing but with LESS TALENT. As for Auburn & Tuberville, the “powers that be” down in the village were doing one thing: WAITING FOR TUBERVILLE TO SCREW UP! That’s ALL they had to do! They knew that sooner or later Tubby would “stub his toe.” The arrival of Nick Saban at Alabama DID send a signal to EVERYONE in the SEC that ‘Bama was serious about returning to the mountaintop, and I believe we will, but a monumental goal takes TIME and PATIENCE to accomplish. History has shown that both Tennessee and Auburn have been reactionary to what Alabama was doing. That’s why Johnny Majors was hired in 1977, fresh off a NC at Pitt. At that point, UT had lost 6 straight to ‘Bama and the only reason they were patient with Majors was because he was one of their own. Auburn hired Pat Dye because he was an assistant on Coach Bryant’s staff for SEVERAL years and figured that to beat the Bear they had to hire someone who knew Coach Bryant and his staff; how they worked, how went about their business. Its always been the same…when someone is doing something good and beneficial for whatever enterprise they are involved in the RIVALS want their “slice of the pie.” Someone usually gets “thrown under the bus” but its BECAUSE of the “What have you done for us lately” mentality. Fulmer and Tuberville had been under considerable “heat” for quite some time. It just happened during Saban’s watch.

By: OMNIPRESENT

OMNIPRESENT — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:31:04 +0000

WOW ……….

By: AUGoose

AUGoose — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:58:44 +0000

haha what a joke

By: bamasux

bamasux — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:01:45 +0000

my dad can beat your dad up

By: Bamaman

Bamaman — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:30:43 +0000

Omni, you are right! Since we did not win those last two it shows how bad of a team we had, I wish we had been better so our score would have been more than 36-0