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	<title>Comments on: FLIP FLOP: Tuby doesn&#8217;t like &#8216;Saban Rule&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: The Heffalump</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3987</link>
		<dc:creator>The Heffalump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM,
    I&#039;ve never heard that the NCAA recognizes 17 national championships for UA. Where did you get that information? I&#039;m not doubting, just interested.</description>
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    I&#8217;ve never heard that the NCAA recognizes 17 national championships for UA. Where did you get that information? I&#8217;m not doubting, just interested.</p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3981</link>
		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap, something must have malfunctioned on your last post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap, something must have malfunctioned on your last post.</p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3970</link>
		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap, I&#039;ll be the first to admit that Tubs sounds like he&#039;s flip-flopping on this, which he has done plenty of times.  He proudly proclaims that he is a salesman, and I haven&#039;t met a good salesman yet whose story doesn&#039;t change depending on the audience.

I do think if you read the article you&#039;ll see he&#039;s talking more about the no contact rule than the Saban rule. Those are two separate issues.  In fact, I even put in my post last week during our debate that if you want to abolish the no contact rule, that&#039;s a different issue.  Frankly, I wouldn&#039;t have a problem with that within reasonable limitations.  The Saban rule dealt with coaches visiting schools to evaluate by watching practice and visting teachers.  Contact was not allowed during these visits, but several coaches were complaining that Saban was repeatedly contacting recruits during these visits and pushing it off on the &quot;bump rule&quot;.  That&#039;s different. They pushed the Saban rule because the school visitation option was being abused.  The Saban rule did not change the amount of &quot;legal&quot; contact with recruits in the slightest.  Limiting actual contact with recruits is whats Tubs was talking about in that article, not the Saban rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap, I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that Tubs sounds like he&#8217;s flip-flopping on this, which he has done plenty of times.  He proudly proclaims that he is a salesman, and I haven&#8217;t met a good salesman yet whose story doesn&#8217;t change depending on the audience.</p>
<p>I do think if you read the article you&#8217;ll see he&#8217;s talking more about the no contact rule than the Saban rule. Those are two separate issues.  In fact, I even put in my post last week during our debate that if you want to abolish the no contact rule, that&#8217;s a different issue.  Frankly, I wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with that within reasonable limitations.  The Saban rule dealt with coaches visiting schools to evaluate by watching practice and visting teachers.  Contact was not allowed during these visits, but several coaches were complaining that Saban was repeatedly contacting recruits during these visits and pushing it off on the &#8220;bump rule&#8221;.  That&#8217;s different. They pushed the Saban rule because the school visitation option was being abused.  The Saban rule did not change the amount of &#8220;legal&#8221; contact with recruits in the slightest.  Limiting actual contact with recruits is whats Tubs was talking about in that article, not the Saban rule.</p>
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		<title>By: capstonereport</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3950</link>
		<dc:creator>capstonereport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I wanted to clarify the flip-flop thing. 

When you vote for something (the Saban Rule), and then complain about itâ€”that qualifies. His argument against the Saban Rule is the same argument made by Nick Saban and Pete Carroll and Les Miles and Phil Fulmer. 

And I think the abrupt reversal is a good thing. I don&#039;t have a problem when people admit a mistake. I just wish he&#039;d have been a bit more honest about it. The NCAA didn&#039;t force this on the coachesâ€”the &lt;b&gt;COACHES&lt;/b&gt; were the ones who proposed the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I wanted to clarify the flip-flop thing. </p>
<p>When you vote for something (the Saban Rule), and then complain about itâ€”that qualifies. His argument against the Saban Rule is the same argument made by Nick Saban and Pete Carroll and Les Miles and Phil Fulmer. </p>
<p>And I think the abrupt reversal is a good thing. I don&#8217;t have a problem when people admit a mistake. I just wish he&#8217;d have been a bit more honest about it. The NCAA didn&#8217;t force this on the coachesâ€”the <b>COACHES</b> were the ones who proposed the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: capstonereport</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3948</link>
		<dc:creator>capstonereport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the flip flop. He voted &lt;b&gt;FOR&lt;/b&gt; the Saban Rule, and now he is complaining about it and blaming the NCAA for its passage.

That takes balls. How can anyone say with a straight face the NCAA should ask them when they &lt;b&gt;CAUSED&lt;/b&gt; the &#039;Saban Rule&#039;. It was the SEC who proposed it in the first place. If he didn&#039;t take his time making the rule or considering his vote, it is his fault...not the NCAA.

He has either changed his mind, or is being disingenuous. I&#039;ll vote flip flop because it is the most likely he thought the rule was good, then realized it hurts his efforts to evaluate character, etc. 

Nothing wrong with a flip flop on an issueâ€”but there is something wrong with the way he explained why he doesn&#039;t like the restrictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the flip flop. He voted <b>FOR</b> the Saban Rule, and now he is complaining about it and blaming the NCAA for its passage.</p>
<p>That takes balls. How can anyone say with a straight face the NCAA should ask them when they <b>CAUSED</b> the &#8216;Saban Rule&#8217;. It was the SEC who proposed it in the first place. If he didn&#8217;t take his time making the rule or considering his vote, it is his fault&#8230;not the NCAA.</p>
<p>He has either changed his mind, or is being disingenuous. I&#8217;ll vote flip flop because it is the most likely he thought the rule was good, then realized it hurts his efforts to evaluate character, etc. </p>
<p>Nothing wrong with a flip flop on an issueâ€”but there is something wrong with the way he explained why he doesn&#8217;t like the restrictions.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap-

Do you think that Tubby has flip flopped or that he is simply saying that he would like the Rules Committee to have more interaction with HC&#039;s for feedback.  May have missed it, but I did not see where he said he DID or DID NOT like the rules change in what you posted.  Like I said, could have missed it because I honestly just skimmed through....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap-</p>
<p>Do you think that Tubby has flip flopped or that he is simply saying that he would like the Rules Committee to have more interaction with HC&#8217;s for feedback.  May have missed it, but I did not see where he said he DID or DID NOT like the rules change in what you posted.  Like I said, could have missed it because I honestly just skimmed through&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>./auburnposter/output post:

It is not the responsibility of the MCP to check the intelligence level of Auburn readers.  If you cannot understand the post, it is simply because you are stupid.  You continue to expound upon your own idiocy without realizing that people are laughing at you - not with you.

Auburn is: making a derogatory statement about The University of Alabama and trailer parks, while failing to realize (and it is a FACT) that Auburn has the highest concentration of &quot;mobile homes&quot; per-capita in North America.  Tuscaloosa has had an ordinance prohibiting the set up of mobile homes within the city limits for many years.

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<p>It is not the responsibility of the MCP to check the intelligence level of Auburn readers.  If you cannot understand the post, it is simply because you are stupid.  You continue to expound upon your own idiocy without realizing that people are laughing at you &#8211; not with you.</p>
<p>Auburn is: making a derogatory statement about The University of Alabama and trailer parks, while failing to realize (and it is a FACT) that Auburn has the highest concentration of &#8220;mobile homes&#8221; per-capita in North America.  Tuscaloosa has had an ordinance prohibiting the set up of mobile homes within the city limits for many years.</p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
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		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last post made a lot of sense, mastercontrol.  I know you get so excited you nearly wet yourself when you spit out those fun little Auburn barb phrases like &quot;sociology&quot; and &quot;Lowder&quot;, but it might be good idea to actually place them together in a  coherent sentence.  You sound like Mongo from Blazing Saddles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last post made a lot of sense, mastercontrol.  I know you get so excited you nearly wet yourself when you spit out those fun little Auburn barb phrases like &#8220;sociology&#8221; and &#8220;Lowder&#8221;, but it might be good idea to actually place them together in a  coherent sentence.  You sound like Mongo from Blazing Saddles.</p>
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		<title>By: MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3920</link>
		<dc:creator>MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>./auburn/kidhc/output post:

Keep it down home, cuz.  That should be easy with a sociology degree and a wall made of yellawood paid for by Colonial money...Did Lowder ever settle up with his almost son-in-law Tator Tot or is he still holding a grudge?

Auburn...the point of insertion if the earth is ever given an enema.

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<p>Keep it down home, cuz.  That should be easy with a sociology degree and a wall made of yellawood paid for by Colonial money&#8230;Did Lowder ever settle up with his almost son-in-law Tator Tot or is he still holding a grudge?</p>
<p>Auburn&#8230;the point of insertion if the earth is ever given an enema.</p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
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		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Cpt Jim, you are actually proud that Saban got a rule named after him that was enacted because he was repeatedly violating the bump rule?  I wonder if you said the same thing about the  &quot;Neuheisel Rule&quot; when they had to pass a rule to prohibit coaches from visiting recuits at their house and talking to them while they both had a cell phone to their ear, also &quot;avoiding&quot; the no contact rule. As Bear once proudly proclaimed, &quot;We follow the letter and the spirit of the rules&quot;.  You think Saban is following the letter and &quot;spirit&quot; of the rules if they have to pass a further restriction on an existing rule named in his &quot;honor&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Cpt Jim, you are actually proud that Saban got a rule named after him that was enacted because he was repeatedly violating the bump rule?  I wonder if you said the same thing about the  &#8220;Neuheisel Rule&#8221; when they had to pass a rule to prohibit coaches from visiting recuits at their house and talking to them while they both had a cell phone to their ear, also &#8220;avoiding&#8221; the no contact rule. As Bear once proudly proclaimed, &#8220;We follow the letter and the spirit of the rules&#8221;.  You think Saban is following the letter and &#8220;spirit&#8221; of the rules if they have to pass a further restriction on an existing rule named in his &#8220;honor&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Jim</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3910</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Alabama is the Southern Redneck Champion then what does that API err AU the championless southern redneck trailer park kings. You guys amaze me. The NCAA recognizes all of Alabama&#039;s championship and a few more somewhere around 18 they just claim 12, one of which I will agree should be replaced with one of the more deserving teams like 66 or 77. TT is like a politician he says whatever he thinks at the time will show him in the best light the truth be damned. He was one of the leaders in getting the Saban rule, now he claims he doesn&#039;t like it. Maybe it is because he sees a chance to shift the blame when a recruit or player does something illegal. He may be right about that because coaches will make mistakes due to this rule but he should have thought about that before helping get the Saban rule enacted in the first place. If all of this was because of the bump rule well why not enact a stiffer bump rule instead of restricting the HC to campus during the important evaluation period. Saban had one illegal accidental bump and it was self reported as well as reported by every media outlet in South Florida. I am sure he is out  recruiting so much more then most coaches there is a bigger chance of him bumping into someone then a HC that is just sending his assistants out to recruit for him that is just common sense. If the rest of the Head Coaches got out of their offices and started working as hard maybe they would get a rule named after them when they pull in the Number 1 recruiting class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Alabama is the Southern Redneck Champion then what does that API err AU the championless southern redneck trailer park kings. You guys amaze me. The NCAA recognizes all of Alabama&#8217;s championship and a few more somewhere around 18 they just claim 12, one of which I will agree should be replaced with one of the more deserving teams like 66 or 77. TT is like a politician he says whatever he thinks at the time will show him in the best light the truth be damned. He was one of the leaders in getting the Saban rule, now he claims he doesn&#8217;t like it. Maybe it is because he sees a chance to shift the blame when a recruit or player does something illegal. He may be right about that because coaches will make mistakes due to this rule but he should have thought about that before helping get the Saban rule enacted in the first place. If all of this was because of the bump rule well why not enact a stiffer bump rule instead of restricting the HC to campus during the important evaluation period. Saban had one illegal accidental bump and it was self reported as well as reported by every media outlet in South Florida. I am sure he is out  recruiting so much more then most coaches there is a bigger chance of him bumping into someone then a HC that is just sending his assistants out to recruit for him that is just common sense. If the rest of the Head Coaches got out of their offices and started working as hard maybe they would get a rule named after them when they pull in the Number 1 recruiting class.</p>
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		<title>By: grega345</title>
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		<dc:creator>grega345</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheating coaches, N.S.R.C., paparzzi..Boy some of you barners are really showing your obsession and intelligence here. 

BTW, West Virgina is waiting....Oh sorry, Aubarn moved that game til later in the year in hopes of being able to win it !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheating coaches, N.S.R.C., paparzzi..Boy some of you barners are really showing your obsession and intelligence here. </p>
<p>BTW, West Virgina is waiting&#8230;.Oh sorry, Aubarn moved that game til later in the year in hopes of being able to win it !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</title>
		<link>http://capstonereport.com/2008/06/04/flip-flop-tuby-doesnt-like-saban-rule/676/comment-page-1/#comment-3900</link>
		<dc:creator>MASTERCONTROLPROGRAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all you count are AP/UPI titles, then Alabama has 7...and nobody won a national championship prior to 1934.

The College Football Data Warehouse recognizes Alabama as having 11.  The University recognizes 12.  The NCAA recognizes 17.

Auburn has 1 - or .5 if you calculate it by the standards that most of their fan base wants to apply to Alabama...the 1957 title was split with Ohio State - who won the Rose bowl.  Auburn did not play in a bowl that year...again, by the standard that some Auburn fans want to hold Alabama to, titles only count if you won your bowl game.  With that standard, Auburn has no National titles.

Some Auburn fans would quickly point out that there were not a lot of bowl games in 1958, however there were quite a few - Auburn was just ineligible due to probation.  By that standard, Auburn is ineligible for a national title...yet they claim it.

The reality is, a solid argument can be made for Alabama having 12 (or more) titles, and as few as 9 (though no fewer).  The only reason to make an argument for the latter, is if you are a fan of an also-ran or never-was team who is trying to make yourself feel better.  Ultimately you make yourself look foolish and your little brother syndrome becomes a glaring eyesore for the world to see.

At any rate, Alabama will win another AP title before Auburn does.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all you count are AP/UPI titles, then Alabama has 7&#8230;and nobody won a national championship prior to 1934.</p>
<p>The College Football Data Warehouse recognizes Alabama as having 11.  The University recognizes 12.  The NCAA recognizes 17.</p>
<p>Auburn has 1 &#8211; or .5 if you calculate it by the standards that most of their fan base wants to apply to Alabama&#8230;the 1957 title was split with Ohio State &#8211; who won the Rose bowl.  Auburn did not play in a bowl that year&#8230;again, by the standard that some Auburn fans want to hold Alabama to, titles only count if you won your bowl game.  With that standard, Auburn has no National titles.</p>
<p>Some Auburn fans would quickly point out that there were not a lot of bowl games in 1958, however there were quite a few &#8211; Auburn was just ineligible due to probation.  By that standard, Auburn is ineligible for a national title&#8230;yet they claim it.</p>
<p>The reality is, a solid argument can be made for Alabama having 12 (or more) titles, and as few as 9 (though no fewer).  The only reason to make an argument for the latter, is if you are a fan of an also-ran or never-was team who is trying to make yourself feel better.  Ultimately you make yourself look foolish and your little brother syndrome becomes a glaring eyesore for the world to see.</p>
<p>At any rate, Alabama will win another AP title before Auburn does.</p>
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		<title>By: tmc1</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmc1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you had a great post Julio, I might not have agreed with all of it, but you made some valid points. Well done.

I have always maintained that the &quot;Saban&quot; rule hurts the #2 schools than it does the schools with the name University of _____________. But I was pefectly happy to sit back and watch the show as some people gloated in schadenfreude because they thought it would slow Saban down. Now that Tuberville has come forward with his dislike, I wonder if the Auburn faithful will start to see that it is his next  excuse for any future recruiting short falls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you had a great post Julio, I might not have agreed with all of it, but you made some valid points. Well done.</p>
<p>I have always maintained that the &#8220;Saban&#8221; rule hurts the #2 schools than it does the schools with the name University of _____________. But I was pefectly happy to sit back and watch the show as some people gloated in schadenfreude because they thought it would slow Saban down. Now that Tuberville has come forward with his dislike, I wonder if the Auburn faithful will start to see that it is his next  excuse for any future recruiting short falls.</p>
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		<title>By: Bama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>infatuation with auburn and tubby? you aubs are the ones on an alabama site. do you not have one of your own. you seem to be the ones infatuated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>infatuation with auburn and tubby? you aubs are the ones on an alabama site. do you not have one of your own. you seem to be the ones infatuated.</p>
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